Disney's Streaming Services: Disney+ (and Hulu, ESPN+, Star, & hotstar)

Disney Irish

Premium Member
The Bloomberg article also mentions that Disney is shifting away from their streaming strategy, which puts their Fox purchase in question. Said purchase was for their streaming strategy.
Incorrect, said purchase was NOT only for the streaming strategy, it was part of it but not the ONLY reason.

Also if they do "shift away" from their streaming strategy it doesn't mean streaming is going away. It just means they aren't focusing solely on streaming for content distribution.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
@Disney Irish In the article The Wrap recently posted about the Disney/Fox purchase, Bob Iger admits that it was a mistake.
What article, please provide a link to it if you're going to reference it.

Edit - If its that paywall blocked opinion piece from Scott Mendelson you posted before then I don't believe any where in there is Iger quoted as actually admitting it was a mistake. If so please post where he actually is quoted as saying that in the article.
 
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
Someone on Wikipedia took the article quote on that and put it in the Wikipedia article on the Disney/Fox purchase, complete with the article source cited.
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That is not a quote, nor is it a valid source. That is like saying the Bus Driver at a Disney Park told you that Disney is selling all US Disney Parks tomorrow to Nike. Basically don't believe it unless you can actually read the article it references, which again is behind a paywall.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Someone on Wikipedia took the article quote on that and put it in the Wikipedia article on the Disney/Fox purchase, complete with the article source cited.
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So thanks to @DCBaker we actually have the contents of the article, and no where does Iger admit to anything let alone that the 21CF merger was a mistake. In fact Iger isn't quoted at all in that article.

Here's the article -

"Was Disney right to pay $71 billion for Fox’s entertainment empire? The sprawling properties it brought in-house helped fuel Disney+ and have given returning CEO Bob Iger a much-needed box office hit with “Avatar: The Way of Water” as he settles back into his old chair.

But investors are scrutinizing spending much more closely than they used to. Disney still carries a hefty debt load from the Fox deal and Iger’s rebound tenure has a time limit as he searches once again for a successor.

As adult-skewing movies struggle in theaters and Wall Street changes the rules in the streaming war, Disney’s purchase of Fox’s studio properties may prove to be Iger’s biggest blunder, dealing lasting damage to the company’s reputation among shareholders for media-merger magic. The idea that Disney could take any given property, get audiences to associate it with its megabrand and make it an even bigger cross-platform commercial success was part of how it sold Wall Street on the notion of total entertainment dominance.

Now with a weaker stock currency, heavier debt load and skeptical investors, Iger has the harder challenge of squeezing performance out of an existing portfolio. He may not be able to buy his way out of this one.

It’s worth remembering that Fox put itself up for sale back in late 2017, with the deal ultimately closing in 2019. Had Disney passed, runner-up Comcast — whose Peacock streamer is now projecting a $3 billion loss in 2023 — would own 100% of Hulu instead. Universal and Peacock, which just passed 20 million paid subscribers, would benefit from Fox’s IP riches.

Disney “got a part of Hulu and a huge footprint in India thanks to the Star television empire,” said Sean Nyberg, an attorney who runs the “Disney Beat” podcast and owns shares of the company. “They also now own FX and National Geographic channel, which are major successes in a dying marketplace.”

Conventional wisdom holds that even if Fox didn’t quite pan out as an endless fountain of streaming franchises and theatrical blockbusters, at least Disney kept the goodies away from rivals.

Josh Spiegel, the author of “Pixar and the Infinite Past: Nostalgia and Pixar Animation,” disagreed: “Overpaying for Fox to keep it out of the hands of a competitor only made sense when Disney was at the peak of its pop culture domination.”

The plan, as insiders tell it, was for the Fox studios to give Disney an edge in adult-skewing blockbusters like “Planet of the Apes” and Disney-compatible fare for kids like the “Ice Age” series that could strengthen its hand in streaming.

Things didn’t go as planned. Even before the pandemic, in a trend visible when deal talk began, general moviegoers were shifting from theatrical viewing to streaming, particularly with adult-audience, non-event films. That hurt Fox films like “The Hate U Give,” “Bad Time at the El Royale,” “Stuber” and even not-so-must-see franchise flicks like “Dark Phoenix” and “Terminator: Dark Fate.”

By 2018, 26% of the domestic box office was made up of the six biggest grossers. In 2019, the first year Disney owned Fox, Walt Disney’s total theatrical output was around $12.6 billion. Just $1.6 billion came from Fox and Searchlight under Disney.

Seemingly valuable, kid-friendly Fox IP translated into streaming films like “The Ice Age Adventures of Buck Wild,” “Home Sweet Home Alone” and “Night at the Museum: Kahmunrah Rises Again” that, as one leading streaming viewership expert confirmed, few Disney+ subscribers watched.

At first, Wall Street cheered Disney+’s subscriber growth. Then it changed its mind about the streaming war, prioritizing profitability.

Disney’s stewardship of the Fox assets is a key question. With $45 billion in debt as of September, the productivity of its IP portfolio is critical. Yet the company seemed more interested in shutting down former Fox studios than nurturing them.

Fox 2000 was shuttered in mid-2019 and after the poor theatrical performance of “Spies in Disguise” in late 2019, Blue Sky followed in 2021. Fears that Disney would buy Fox and strip it for parts — or Hulu streaming fodder — proved partially founded.

“This was unlike Disney buying Marvel to make Marvel movies or buying Lucasfilm to make ‘Star Wars’ films,” said Spiegel. “Disney bought a ginormous entertainment studio — removing a competitor from the board — to acquire specific IPs [like ‘The Simpsons’ and ‘Avatar’] only to discard the rest.”

“Planet of the Apes,” “Avatar” and the Marvel brands like “Fantastic Four” and “Deadpool” remain among 20th Century’s few theatrically viable brands. Yes, “Avatar: The Way of Water” has passed $2.1 billion worldwide, and the Human Torch and Wolverine bring added value to the MCU. However, even with “The Simpsons” being the most popular show on Disney+ and Ryan Reynolds’ original, high concept “Free Guy” grossing a miraculous $331 million in the summer of 2021, that’s only so much value for $71 billion. (Or $57 billion: Disney argued in a presentation to investors recently that the sale of a stake in Sky for $15 billion in 2018 and around $2 billion in synergy transactions reduced the deal’s real cost.)

“It’s like spending $25,000 on a hybrid or electric car,” noted a rival studio executive, “to save $3,000 a year on gas. The world may be a radically different place by the time you would have broken even and begun coming out ahead.”

BoxOffice.com analyst Shawn Robbins argued that it’s still too soon to pass judgment on the purchase. “Films like Tom Hanks’ ‘A Man Called Otto’ show that even adults want feel-good or escapism films,” he noted, also highlighting Fox’s “The Greatest Showman,” which grossed $430 million in 2017 pre-Disney.

That’s not even factoring in potential revenue opportunities from T-shirts featuring Mickey Mouse palling around with Kiri Sully, Deadpool heckling guests at Disney World or Kylo Ren teaming with Dr. Doom to host a trivia night on a Disney cruise ship.

Iger’s always seemed to have good timing. Coming back as CEO weeks before “Avatar 2” clobbered the box office is just the latest example. But he doesn’t have much time, with the board and investors eager for him to name a successor.

In his first tour as CEO, Iger made his name through big buys: Pixar, Marvel, Lucasfilm. Disney would take IP like the MCU, the “Star Wars” movies or the live-action remakes of Katzenberg-era Disney toons like “The Lion King” and “Aladdin,” which were triumphs from another company or a prior regime, and supercharge it with the modern Disney marketing playbook.

The weakness of Fox franchises under Disney seems to undercut that narrative. Iger could blame the last guy — Bob Chapek, whom he abruptly replaced in December — except that Chapek was his handpicked successor."

 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
So you’re not a customer and you’re threatening to continue not being a customer?
I think its honestly going to be a common stance with the crack down on password sharing. For a lot of families the only way to afford access to all the services is to share the cost. And if the crack down goes through, and no doubt it will, then a bunch of families may rethink which services they actually want to pay for individually. Which is to say this may end up backfiring in the end and lead to a loss of subs rather than the gain they think it'll force.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Someone on Wikipedia took the article quote on that and put it in the Wikipedia article on the Disney/Fox purchase, complete with the article source cited.
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It doesn't say that any more.

I'm a long time Wikipedia Editor and if that author tries to repost that blatant lie, I will make sure they are permanently banned from Wikipedia.

As for you Elijah, copy and paste from that article the sentence in which "Iger admits purchasing Fox was a mistake." Because it doesn't appear in that article. Search for "mistake"... not in the article. Search for "Iger"... there are no quotes from him.

Go ahead, prove to us you're not lying.
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
So you’re not a customer and you’re threatening to continue not being a customer?

I guess I’m saying that my partners parents will unsubscribe, and we will not subscribe ourselves.

This is how a lot of people consume streaming, and they have encouraged password sharing in the past. If they want to change that, that’s fine, their decision.

I think it will backfire.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Original Poster
I guess I’m saying that my partners parents will unsubscribe, and we will not subscribe ourselves.

This is how a lot of people consume streaming, and they have encouraged password sharing in the past. If they want to change that, that’s fine, their decision.

I think it will backfire.
Yes, the boastful minute-spent-streaming will go down.

But the point made cheekily does have some merit.

If three people are sharing a fourth's password, and then they suddenly have to pay, and they refuse...

How does this hurt Netflix if the person who is paying keeps the account? Why would they cancel?

It's still the same income for Netflix -- one sub, one monthly payment.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Yes, the boastful minute-spent-streaming will go down.

But the point made cheekily does have some merit.

If three people are sharing a fourth's password, and then they suddenly have to pay, and they refuse...

How does this hurt Netflix if the person who is paying keeps the account? Why would they cancel?

It's still the same income for Netflix -- one sub, one monthly payment.
In that scenario one is assuming that the 4th is giving access for free instead of splitting the cost with the other 3, which can't be assumed.

So how Netflix could be hurt is the shared cost account getting cancel. The question will be if that is a enough of a percentage of subs that causes a loss in overall subs.
 

Elijah Abrams

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
So thanks to @DCBaker we actually have the contents of the article, and no where does Iger admit to anything let alone that the 21CF merger was a mistake. In fact Iger isn't quoted at all in that article.
It doesn't say that any more.

I'm a long time Wikipedia Editor and if that author tries to repost that blatant lie, I will make sure they are permanently banned from Wikipedia.

As for you Elijah, copy and paste from that article the sentence in which "Iger admits purchasing Fox was a mistake." Because it doesn't appear in that article. Search for "mistake"... not in the article. Search for "Iger"... there are no quotes from him.

Go ahead, prove to us you're not lying.
I'm sorry. I didn’t know it was a someone posting a lie. I, in fact, deleted my post about it.
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
In that scenario one is assuming that the 4th is giving access for free instead of splitting the cost with the other 3, which can't be assumed.

So how Netflix could be hurt is the shared cost account getting cancel. The question will be if that is a enough of a percentage of subs that causes a loss in overall subs.

And that’s just one scenario.

What about people who travel for a living (touring acts, musicians, theatre, military members who are stationed elsewhere at a time)?

Again it’s their prerogative as a company to change course and close this password sharing thing down, but it certainly makes them an a lot less attractive option.

When Netflix was the only option, sure, but the market has changed.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
And that’s just one scenario.

What about people who travel for a living (touring acts, musicians, theatre, military members who are stationed elsewhere at a time)?

Again it’s their prerogative as a company to change course and close this password sharing thing down, but it certainly makes them an a lot less attractive option.

When Netflix was the only option, sure, but the market has changed.
I agree. I’ve long said this was coming as streamers trying to find more ways to increase subs and make the services profitable.

Once that switch is flipped at Netflix others like Disney will follow suit not long after.
 

sedati

Well-Known Member
they have encouraged password sharing in the past.
I never had the sense that it was ever encouraged. The crack-down has been talked about for years and honestly I'm surprised it's taken this long. I think it's been very clear that sharing beyond a household or at least beyond a set number of people was never the intent. The real problem is having let it go on for so long.
 

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