Disney's Reaction to Harry Potter Details?

nerdboyrockstar

Well-Known Member
I have not seen ANY materials from Universal touting it as its own theme park. The closest they've gotten is calling it a "theme park within a theme park," which apparently can confuse the hell out of people.
 

Rosso11

Well-Known Member
Disney is not a reactionary company in the Theme Park business... they are the trend-setter in the business. Regardless of if HP is wildly successful, Disney does not want to lose this perception that the general public has of it (I am not talking about fanatics like us who know more than the average public either) and to propose something new that is obviously supposed to outdo HP I think would send a signal that the company is worried that its position is faltering.

Disney has been reactionary for years. Just look at MGM and AK. Both were reactionary, especially MGM. I really wish Disney was still the trend-setter they use to be. They have been matched and surpassed on certain fronts by both Universal and Las Vegas. This is what so many of us are trying to say. In the eyes of the general public their position is faltering. It's getting much more difficult to impress today’s audience. They need to keep pushing the boundaries of themed entertainment, not to simply rely on their cash cow characters.
 

steve2wdw

WDW Fan Since 1973
Personally, I don't care about anything Universal is doing up the road. I want to be wowed at WDW, nowhere else. Whether or not Harry Potter has any impact on WDW is not what I'm worried about. Disney needs to create a new, superheadliner, with cutting edge technology that is also family friendly. We need a POTC for the 21st century. But we need the real Disney to step up to the plate. I'm hoping that recent attractions (placeholders in my book) like the Laugh Floor are just the training wheels to something much bigger up Disney's sleeve. Bring out the big guns, Disney...I want to hear people talk about Disney attractions and Disney Parks like they did when Lincoln debuted at the Fair in '64, or when POTC opened at DL.
 

steve2wdw

WDW Fan Since 1973
(continuing with my last post)

....and a great place to start would be with the Imagination Pavilion. Like I've said before, Imagination should be the best attraction in the world. An attraction where the sky's the limit. It should have the longest lines of any attraction anywhere on the globe (not the shortest). Disney's imagination should be limitless on this one.
 

Krack

Active Member
Disney has been reactionary for years. Just look at MGM and AK. Both were reactionary, especially MGM. I really wish Disney was still the trend-setter they use to be. They have been matched and surpassed on certain fronts by both Universal and Las Vegas. This is what so many of us are trying to say. In the eyes of the general public their position is faltering. It's getting much more difficult to impress today’s audience. They need to keep pushing the boundaries of themed entertainment, not to simply rely on their cash cow characters.

Following up on this, just like MGM was a reaction to Universal Orlando and AK was a reaction to Busch Gardens Tampa ...

Pleasure Island was a reaction to Church Street Station

and

DCA was a reaction to the other tourist traps in SoCal (Universal, Santa Monica Pier, National Parks, Miramar/San Diego, Cannery Row)

and

The last big idea they floated - Disney's Night Kingdom - was a reaction to Discovery Cove.
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
:rolleyes:

See? Now you've lost all credibility!

Icebergs float. Glaciers carve out valleys. :lookaroun







Sorry, everybody else in this thread seems to be arguing over something ludicrous, Figured I didn't want to be left out! :lol:

You're right. Embarrassing mistake. :lol:
 

TalkingHead

Well-Known Member
The average guest doesn't have expectations as to what an expansion is or what it will include!

We are the only ones with expectations and some of us have already made up our mind on the FLE when we haven't even laid eyes on it yet!

I see it for what it is. A new ride (great), new and better themed M&Gs for the princesses (anything is better than the tent in TT), a new restaurant (I thought everyone would be happy about that - we're always complaining about the lack of), added capacity for Dumbo (bonus). Nothing about this expansion disappoints me... that's b/c I have no expectations for an expansion... I'm looking at the additions for what they are.

I think the word expansion invokes some wonderful elaborate plans in the minds of fanboys that we're already disappointed. If Disney announced they were adding a new ride and retheming the M&Gs... I don't think we'd hear near the noise we're hearing on this one!

IMO! :wave:


Point taken, but it also depends how aggressively Disney promotes FLE. If they treat it like a brand new MK, then some guests are going to be disappointed.

As for the restaurant, I never ask for more restaurants in the parks, because the ones they have are already ridiculously overpriced.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
Not while The Lost Continent at IoA is still around.

Well dueling dragons has been replaced by dragon challenge...whether that means beastly kingdom still doesn't get a dragon themed thrill ride, I don't know.

I still think beastly kingdom is dead.

As for AK being the best themed...yawn.

Yes, they accurately re-created a lot of other buildings that exist in the world, that's not exactly re-inventing the wheel. There's just not much very unique there, as there are in Universal parks and, as mentioned Tokyo DisneySea. Those created entirely unique places that didn't exist before.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Well it almost is gone and if the rumors are true after phase 2 of Harry Potter it will be completely gone.


Ah, now I see the connection. I was wondering if they might not find a way to write the LC's overall theme and appearance into the last HP movie. Maybe not as an Atlantis type story but a scene in the movie that would then allow the LC to more easily be incorporated into Potterland with minimal rework or redesign.
 

T-1MILLION

New Member
There may be rumors of a "Phase 2" but they are not true. The rest of Lost Continent is not going to potter. There is plenty of Potter. If you fill half a park with one property you shoot yourself in the foot.
 

majortom1981

Active Member
hmm

I think it wont take away too much from disney. I might add on a day at an outside hotel so i can go to universal but i wouldnt take away any days from my dvc stays.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
There may be rumors of a "Phase 2" but they are not true. The rest of Lost Continent is not going to potter. There is plenty of Potter. If you fill half a park with one property you shoot yourself in the foot.

Er, um, so now they have 6 lands instead of 5, if they expanded HP into the rest of the lost continent they'd be back to 5 :shrug:
 

magicmaya

Active Member
Dude, I'm not even a Potter fan and I'm very excited about this. It's really cool that they use technology that no other theme park has used before. I'm definately looking forward to going. I may not be able to make it for the summer but I sure am going for my christmas present. (Going to Orlando for christmas is a new family tradition) :xmas::sohappy::xmas:
 

magicmaya

Active Member
Two words Disney... Beastly Kingdom


Well...here's 1 paragraph, Disney.
We need phase 2 Space mountain refurb, because that last refurb was just HORRIBLE! How about trying to refurb Fantasmic. Or here's an Idea! Add mysterious Island to DAK. I know in my heart that Potter is going to be way more superior than fantasyland expansion. A bunch of meet n greets are NOT gonna get a bigger crowd than Potter. I'm really disappointed in how lazy Disney is getting with the attractions lately. Like that other person said, Imagination CAN be the best ride in the world, Space Mountain CAN be a stellar, out of this world experience, or why not add the same technology from HRRR to RnRC?! Serously, just think about it. WDW could have the best parks in the WORLD if they didn't slack off. Now, they're trying to get in competition for Uni and it doesn't seem to be working and if they put more care into their attractions, they would be back on track.


...and sorry for the double post.
 

devoy1701

Well-Known Member
The TMZ thing I can't really pin on UNI, though.



Not WDW. TDL/DisneySea, yes. WDW has not been the trend-setter in a long time. DLR is above WDW right now.

EDIT: I'd even put UNI above WDW on trend-setting, right now.

I'm talking as company, not park for park. You need to lump WDW, Tokyo Disneyland, Hong Kong, Paris, and Anaheim together...Disney is the creator and trend-setter of the Theme Park industry. And I guess unfortunate to us, they have to spread out their technology and innovation between 11 different theme parks around the globe. If we only had the 6 National Theme Parks or even just WDW, we would be seeing a whole different story (and whole lot more investment and ideas!) Uni only has 5 theme parks across the world, and until IoA, they were mostly cloans of one another.

Following up on this, just like MGM was a reaction to Universal Orlando and AK was a reaction to Busch Gardens Tampa ...

Pleasure Island was a reaction to Church Street Station

and

DCA was a reaction to the other tourist traps in SoCal (Universal, Santa Monica Pier, National Parks, Miramar/San Diego, Cannery Row)

and

The last big idea they floated - Disney's Night Kingdom - was a reaction to Discovery Cove.

I think you're reaching a bit. UN was the reactionary move to compete with WDWs successful 2 theme parks in the area, a reactionary move that took 15 years to announcel. MGM was an plan of the Eisner's and the Imagineers for a single pavilion they were trying to create in EPCOT that grew into a full theme park concept and it opened prior to Universal anyway. Not to mention they were also hoping to gain a foothold of a full working production studio over here in FL. I think that's how Work in Progress explained the story in a nutshell...

Busch Gardens had been around for almost 45 years before Animal Kingdom had been built and its an animal preserve/roller coaster Park. AK and BG are two pretty different experiences and have been since the start. The AK park is more likely comparable to the Sea World experience pre that new Manta rollercoaster, but that would still be comparing apples to oranges.

Church Street Station was around much longer than PI, but you could argue that PI was a reaction in general to the fact that WDW had nothing to do in terms of night life...you can't pin it up against just one place like church street cuz technically any place that was open past 10pm that resembled some kind of night life was a competitor for a Pleasure Island idea.

Seriously you're trying to say that DCA is a reaction to Santa Monica pier and the national parks out there???? Seriously????

I'll give you Night Kingdom to an extent minus the fact that it never was realized.
 

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