Discussion in 'Disneyland Resort' started by TROR, Nov 27, 2017.
And this is what I expect from Disney - a basic level of integrity.
While I agree Frozen was a "hit", it is certainly not a quality film from a critical standpoint...I won't bore you with all that I find wrong with it here...but just know its soundtrack (and maybe Olaf) is the sole reason it is the blockbuster it was. And yet, one could also directly tie its success into the bringing on board of JL and co. post-Pixar merger...
Yes, I am being a stickler here.
Furthermore though, I think Disney (and yes, Hollywood at large) has delved headlong into the franchise mentality. Meaning that nothing can simply exist as a stand-alone film (something Walt was strictly against), and MUST have sequels and spinoffs galore. That I will grant you, is keeping with the times. But again, at a moment when Disney could have shown themselves to be (for lack of a better term) "different" than other Hollywood machines, they continue to play the game and cash their nice bonus checks along the way. Iger is not a risk taker, not an innovator, not a blazer of new territory, not an inspirer, and simply not a creative person.
Phew. OK, I'm done.
But Frozen was a critical hit
89% of critics (according to Rotten Tomatoes) seem to not share your opinion on that.
Lol, I figured someone would say that when I posted that. I didn't mean critics thought it was bad, but when you break the movie down critically, a lot of it falls apart. But of course keep in mind, its all subjective.
Isn't that what critics do? I think what you mean is, when you break it down critically. When 89% of critics broke it down well, critically, they didn't seem to find the same issues you seem to have with it.
Also, the idea of the big movie/IP franchise as it is today, did not exist when Walt was alive. But Walt and Roy sure knew how to merchandise the cr@p out of their successes. I highly doubt either would be strictly against it.
Yes you're right. Truthfully, I hated Frozen.
I hated it more when it took over Maelstrom.
It's a *****y movie, with a *****y soundtrack and a *****y talking Snowman.
Of course, no one says you're not entitled to your opinion. Just don't try to defend it as the general consensus when it's not! I don't like the movie either, but I won't sit here and pretend it wasn't a huge well-received success all around.
Merchandising is slightly different than planning sequels for the next 5-10 years and not blazing new ground creatively.
Where exactly do you think Mickey Mouse cartoons were viewed when they were released originally? On the Disney Channel?
...in movie theaters...?
Indeed. Walt Disney took the Davy Crockett TV series (which, is a franchise if you're telling story after story about the same person) and then packaged those TV episodes and released it theatrically as a Davy Crockett movie. Twice.
Exactly. Was Disney considered creatively bankrupt for consistently churning out new Mickey & Friends cartoons in theaters?
I'm not a fan of sequels and would rather see more original output from the company, just making the point that Walt was not against playing in comfortable/familiar territory for an extended period of time. And people often tend to forget just how different the entertainment landscape was when he was in charge. It's not even close to apples to apples as it is today and you need to look for parallels to see how Walt may have handled things if he were alive today.
Similar quote from Bob Iger: "I like to repeat successes until I have absolutely drained the life and money from a franchise...then I go out and acquire a new one and repeat the process. It just works!"
Not at all. When you're leading the charge in a particular field, its hard to be called "creatively bankrupt". But even he knew that there was life and growth beyond that.
Also, I would hardly call Walt's early years "comfortable". Living out of your studio because you can't afford rent anywhere else and eating beans out of a can for dinner...
Walt (as with many people) said a lot of things that his actions didn't necessarily 100% reflect.
Fair enough. I think I derailed this thread with my Frozen tangent.
Alls I meant to convey is that Iger is a bum and...yeah.
Look, all I'm saying is, people put Walt on some pedestal as if he would absolutely shun every action the company makes today. I think that is absolutely so far from the truth and we forget that he was around in a completely different era of show business where the things we're talking about just simply did not exist then.
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