Disney's "New" Park

[HwdStudio]

Not quite.
Cameron's Lightstorm Entertainment still would own a portion of the film. They already get their own cut of the Pandora merch.


Hulk is still world class, but man do I already miss the dragons.

Imagine a whole park from Disney following the original Islands of Adventure model.

I also miss Dueling Dragons (Dragon Challenge). 2 world class B&M coasters that were always easy to get on with little it no wait. I wish another park had snapped them up.

And to @Big Phil please don’t paint with such a broad brush. “All of our childhoods” are not ruined with the new SW movies. I saw each of the original 3 in theatres during their opening runs. I happen to enjoy the new movies as well. Sorry if your childhood is ruined because you simply don’t like a series of new movies. My childhood is based on much more than SW movies and nothing with ever ruin it. IMO it’s silly to believe childhoods are being ruined because of movies. I had an incredible childhood and nothing on this earth will ever ruin it.

 

[HwdStudio]

Sorry compared to other coasters, the Hulk is not world class. It's an average inversion (edited) coaster. Nothing exciting or earth shattering. Remember I have Cedar Point in my back yard, so I am quite picky. I was utterly disappointed with the Hulk the first time I rode it wondering why people thought it was so amazing. It's also kind of old compared to other coasters, so very behind the times with technology so to speak. The dragons coasters were okay as well but paled considerably in comparison to other coasters of that type.

All of us don’t have Cedar Point in our back yards so it’s perfectly fine for some of us to consider the Hulk world class.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

Assuming this wasn't a deadpan troll of all the bad rumors...

Monstropolis was once an active consideration. Then it got shelved. Only one internet personality, Jim Hill, keeps mentioning it as a possibility while all our insiders say it's dead (for now). Other than TSL and SWL, the most DHS will see for then next handful of years is one new ride and a refresh of some of the shows, no new lands.

WDW doesn't move rides... try justifying that cost to corporate... unless there is a massive reworking project. Tomorrowland is going through a very light reworking and moving MLF isn't part of the deal. Insiders say it's staying.

And finally, it is *impossible* to retheme RnRC to a MI 'door coaster.' The doors in the movie hang from a track. The proposed coaster had the train cars hanging from a track. The RnRC isn't that type of coaster. It can't be rethemed to a hanging coaster, it would have to be demolished and rebuilt. That ain't happening.

RnRC to MI Door Coaster is definitely absurd. As for Laugh Floor; even though it doesn't appear to be going anywhere the show is in a flex-space that could be demo'd with relative ease in favor of the next flavor of the month IP. Relocating wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. It wouldn't be all that complicated or costly should they wish to put Monster's Inc in DHS, for what it's worth. They might not move rides but they can move a screen-based theater show.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Agreed, would be great to get all 4 parks to the level of MK. Still, would be nice to get a couple more high capacity D level attractions in MK to reduce crowd pressure, preferably in Adventureland/Frontierland.

While that might give people in the park more ride time, it most certainly will not ease overcrowding and congestion. A ride can take at most a few hundred people off the pathing at one time. But if a thousand extra people show up to ride it, then you have an extra 700 people in the paths.

Unless a swath of new territory opens up, adding or updating attractions at MK will only increase congestion.

 

[correcaminos]

All of us don’t have Cedar Point in our back yards so it’s perfectly fine for some of us to consider the Hulk world class.

You can like it, sure. But to say it is just because you haven't been to real coaster parks is kinda silly. It's like saying Pop Century is a 4 stat hotel simply because you don't stay at Four Seasons. World class means best in the world. Neither of IoAs coasters belong in that. Not all coasters do and that's fine. I love quite a few coasters that aren't world class but still fun. I just won't go around pretending they are anything more,than just fun.

And sorry but your attitude like going to CP is super special is odd to me. Disney is above and beyond in looks and costs so it's not like going to CP is brag worthy by comparison.

 

[justintheharris]

I still have a hard time believing that Disney will ever touch Tower of Terror in Walt Disney World. It's always been accepted as the best version of the attraction and is currently considered by Golden Ticket Awards to be the greatest dark ride in the entire world. Perhaps one day Rock N Rollercoaster will be on the chopping block but I feel Tower of Terror is pretty safe.

 

[Walt Disney1955]

The new movies are great. The characters from the original movies are being presented as human beings. They fail.

Simply not what a Jedi would do? Says who? We have a Jedi who turned on his wife and his friends, betrayed his Republic, went to the dark side, slaughtered innocent children, and became the scourge of the Galaxy. Would Jedi do that?

The Clone Wars series shows the Jedi being corrupted and leading to the Republic's downfall and the rise of the Empire. Would the Jedi get complaciant and corrupt?

If the Clone Wars has shown anything, it's that Jedi are flawed humans like the rest of us. Sorry that your myopic view of Star Wars doesn't have any basis in the reality of the Star Wars history. I suppose you would have preferred the movies about midochlorians?

Luke was not a bitter grumpy man who couldn't care less. He's a man who lost confidence in himself because of a moment of weakness. And he did care; at the end he sacrificed himself to save his sister and the resistance, having his own redepmtion in the end (much like his father had his at the end of Jedi).

Well, I guess I owe my friend $50. I found a person who likes the new Star Wars movies. Thanks a lot!

 

[Walt Disney1955]

You can like it, sure. But to say it is just because you haven't been to real coaster parks is kinda silly. It's like saying Pop Century is a 4 stat hotel simply because you don't stay at Four Seasons. World class means best in the world. Neither of IoAs coasters belong in that. Not all coasters do and that's fine. I love quite a few coasters that aren't world class but still fun. I just won't go around pretending they are anything more,than just fun.

And sorry but your attitude like going to CP is super special is odd to me. Disney is above and beyond in looks and costs so it's not like going to CP is brag worthy by comparison.

I've been to both. Cedar Point is generally thought to be the cathedral of rollercoaster parks. Two other parks worth mentioning are Canada's Wonderland and Magic Mountain. Lots of rollercoasters there and lots of extreme ones. Some people call Magic Mountain the "Cedar Point West" park. I think Cedar Point still is the standard though.

Just taking a guess here, because I've rode the Hulk as well, but I think Hulk would fit in there pretty good as an extreme coaster. They have 18 roller coasters in that park, but would Hulk be any worse than, say, 5th in that park? I am thinking about Millennium, Top Thrill Dragster for sure would be ahead of it. But others would be for sure more thrilling?

 

[PaisleyMF]

Well, I guess I owe my friend $50. I found a person who likes the new Star Wars movies. Thanks a lot!

Probably a $100. There is way more people that like the newer StarWars movies.

 

[ohioguy]

Well, if they are re-theming the park into new and exciting lands, give us a MuppetLand and a land dedicated to Indiana Jones. I'm all for HS becoming the IP-heavy park.

 

[KINGLOUIS1993]

Well, I guess I owe my friend $50. I found a person who likes the new Star Wars movies. Thanks a lot!

you owe them $100 because I also like them

 

[Hayley In Wonderland]

you owe them $100 because I also like them

$150.00 because me too. Too young to have been in the "original" Star Wars era, and although I've watched and love them, I have a lot of love for the new SW movies.

 

[correcaminos]

I've been to both. Cedar Point is generally thought to be the cathedral of rollercoaster parks. Two other parks worth mentioning are Canada's Wonderland and Magic Mountain. Lots of rollercoasters there and lots of extreme ones. Some people call Magic Mountain the "Cedar Point West" park. I think Cedar Point still is the standard though.

Just taking a guess here, because I've rode the Hulk as well, but I think Hulk would fit in there pretty good as an extreme coaster. They have 18 roller coasters in that park, but would Hulk be any worse than, say, 5th in that park? I am thinking about Millennium, Top Thrill Dragster for sure would be ahead of it. But others would be for sure more thrilling?

To me the Hulk is just a standard 20 year old take you upside down coaster. I've been on many like it. Mantis was even a bit more thrilling than Hulk, and that one was redone as Rougarou. Mantis was made in 1995 but a bit more interesting and over 1 minute longer. TBH it's short, very short (1 minute 15 seconds) and both my friend and I walked off like "that was it?". I didn't get on Hulk until 2005 so I had quite a few years ahead of me with others. I would put Hulk well below most. Above Iron Dragon but not close to top 5 in the park. Gatekeeper, Magnum, Maverick, Millennium Force, Rougarou, Top Thrill Dragster, Steel Vengence, and Raptor all (IMO) outrank it by far. I liken it more to just above the Coarkscrew. Even Expedition Everest feels better to me. It might not have quite the same top speed, but with over double the length, the backwards portion and the layout put it higher.

Again, it's fun for many. I thought it was average. The Dueling Dragons was more interesting to me and much longer. It's good, but not "world class"

 

[larryz]

To me the Hulk is just a standard 20 year old take you upside down coaster. I've been on many like it.

Name another coaster that uses a hybrid energy management system to spin 230 motors powering a tire grid to launch you uphill going from zero to 40 in two seconds...

 

[ppete1975]

I still have a hard time believing that Disney will ever touch Tower of Terror in Walt Disney World. It's always been accepted as the best version of the attraction and is currently considered by Golden Ticket Awards to be the greatest dark ride in the entire world. Perhaps one day Rock N Rollercoaster will be on the chopping block but I feel Tower of Terror is pretty safe.

I totally agree, and I think rnrc will get rethemed as aerosmith isn't really a draw anymore, and easily could be ip based with a minor overlay.

 

[Bairstow]

Name another coaster that uses a hybrid energy management system to spin 230 motors powering a tire grid to launch you uphill going from zero to 40 in two seconds...

Also, how many launched B&Ms are out there? There's Hulk and Thunderbird... are there any others?

 

[correcaminos]

Name another coaster that uses a hybrid energy management system to spin 230 motors powering a tire grid to launch you uphill going from zero to 40 in two seconds...

Like going from 0-40 is impressive now? It's not. Again, enjoy it, just not world class by any stretch. World class would do about double that in the same time.

Enjoy the conversation though , but that horse had been beaten too long here for my tastes

 

[Walt Disney1955]

To me the Hulk is just a standard 20 year old take you upside down coaster. I've been on many like it. Mantis was even a bit more thrilling than Hulk, and that one was redone as Rougarou. Mantis was made in 1995 but a bit more interesting and over 1 minute longer. TBH it's short, very short (1 minute 15 seconds) and both my friend and I walked off like "that was it?". I didn't get on Hulk until 2005 so I had quite a few years ahead of me with others. I would put Hulk well below most. Above Iron Dragon but not close to top 5 in the park. Gatekeeper, Magnum, Maverick, Millennium Force, Rougarou, Top Thrill Dragster, Steel Vengence, and Raptor all (IMO) outrank it by far. I liken it more to just above the Coarkscrew. Even Expedition Everest feels better to me. It might not have quite the same top speed, but with over double the length, the backwards portion and the layout put it higher.

Again, it's fun for many. I thought it was average. The Dueling Dragons was more interesting to me and much longer. It's good, but not "world class"

Hmmm..........well I am glad you put it above the Iron Dragon at least. That is almost certainly a bottom 5 coaster from a thrill perspective at Cedar Point. Although I do like it. I know you mentioned this already, but that launch at the beginning of Hulk is pretty suspenseful. I don't mind the Corkscrew but I find that one a bit more of a run of the mill type.

 

[correcaminos]

Hmmm..........well I am glad you put it above the Iron Dragon at least. That is almost certainly a bottom 5 coaster from a thrill perspective at Cedar Point. Although I do like it. I know you mentioned this already, but that launch at the beginning of Hulk is pretty suspenseful. I don't mind the Corkscrew but I find that one a bit more of a run of the mill type.

I remember the summer Iron Dragon opened. I was so in awe and thrilled by that ride. Boy did my feelings on that one change as time went on LOL As a reference I rode RnR before Hulk. Puts things in perspective I guess. The launch after a few runs is not even that awe inspiring now. At least not compared to newer/faster ones. FTR I like RnR about the same as Hulk in terms of coastering, but neither is outstanding to me. Fun for sure! RnR wins for the music

Corkscrew gets bonus points for where the corkscrew is and the views both from the ride and below.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s certainly possible they could spin it as a “new” park...but that’s semantics.

The wishful thinking is the “2 new e tickets”

That’s nuts...so in 10 years...there would be a small footprint park with only 15 total rides...and 7 would be “E”???

Wow...if you can dream it, you can do it, huh?