Disney's Live Action The Little Mermaid

[spacemt354]

I wish I had an answer. I really liked Halle’s performance in this. I didn’t think the movie overall was very good but she was.

I understand these are real people making these movies and they want to do well. I also disagree with the leadership of the company that will stick around forever if everything is a success.

In the end if it requires everything falling apart at once to get Iger ousted then that’s the hope. Just sucks a bunch of people will pay the price before he does.

But Iger already left and the result was Chapek. Unless there is some savior on the horizon it feels like false hope to assume it's going to be any better if Iger is out.

And I doubt the performance of this one film would move the needle in any direction.

 

[erasure fan1]

I didn’t say everyone. Good lord. But many go for extended stays multiple times a year. Unless I am hallucinating while I am reading about it.

I don't think you are hallucinating. But you are discounting someones opinion because they think it's bad strategy for Disney to complete with itself, by saying there are some on this site who go to Disney multiple times a year.

 

[CaptainMickey]

I can't figure out why this movie isn't making more money in China.

 

[BuddyThomas]

OK, but what about the rest of the moviegoing population?

It seems like to me the releases are too close to each other, that's all.

Yah, good point. I can barely afford all the movies, although make it work. I know that taking a family of five to a movie is outrageous these days. If I just go by myself to an RDX, it’s $30 for the movie and $20 for a popcorn and drink. Don’t get me started on the price of a Broadway show and two drinks. You could afford a weekend at WDW for that. Off topic. I may start a thread about this.

 

[Captain Culpepper Cline]

Your previous post implied that it has done unusually badly with critics given that it’s a “safe” blockbuster, whereas its reception has been about what any of us would have expected. The Jungle Book is the outlier in this regard, not the norm. (And I disagree with you more general claim that critics tend to rate popular blockbusters well. The reverse is very often the case.)

The Jungle Book is an animated film that was released late 60’s. Yes, it was an outlier

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Obviously there is a reason why he continues to be around, despite what fans think of him. You keep talking about money, well he helps make the company lots of money, hence why he is a Wall St darling.

Iger has wanted to leave many times before. Its the Board of Directors of the The Walt Disney Company that keeps renewing his contract and asking him to stay. They are the ultimate deciders of everything. Just like this time they got rid of Chapek and asked Iger to come back.

Lay off the off speed pitches occasionally ️

 

[BlakeW39]

Lay off the off speed pitches occasionally ️

Lol right. Original Bob never wanted to leave, if he did he wouldn't have failed to come up with a succession plan, at the behest of the board who apparently just 'wouldn't let him go.'

 

[Disney Irish]

Lol right. Original Bob never wanted to leave, if he did he wouldn't have failed to come up with a succession plan, the behest of the board who apparently just 'wouldn't let him go.'

FYI, its the Board that comes up with the succession plan, not the CEO. So while Iger can make suggestions on who he thinks his successor should be, like he did with Chapek, its up to the Board to come up with the plan, vet the candidates, and ultimately choose who will succeed.

Also don't forget that Iger had a political career in mind post Disney, so yes he wanted to leave eventually.

So if anything its the failure of the Board to come up with a viable succession plan. Now we can get into the topic of if Iger ultimately swayed the Board into keeping himself in place all those years and what brought him back, but that is a topic for another thread.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Lol right. Original Bob never wanted to leave, if he did he wouldn't have failed to come up with a succession plan, the behest of the board who apparently just 'wouldn't let him go.'

Yeah…that “strong, independent” board really scoured the earth searching…but it turns out Iger is actually Thomas Edison, JP Getty and sigmund Freud all rolled into 1

FYI, its the Board that comes up with the succession plan, not the CEO. So while Iger can make suggestions on who he thinks his successor should be, like he did with Chapek, its up to the Board to come up with the plan, vet the candidates, and ultimately choose who will succeed.

Also don't forget that Iger had a political career in mind post Disney, so yes he wanted to leave eventually.

So if anything its the failure of the Board to come up with a viable succession plan. Now we can get into the topic of if Iger ultimately swayed the Board into keeping himself in place all those years and what brought him back, but that is a topic for another thread.

The board hasn’t been “independent” since Roy left.
It’s all Iger appointees with the minor bit of “outside” when jobs was there. But he died 15 years ago.

You gotta stop believing ONLY the crap said by nametags and do some common sense/experience assessments of your own.

Iger has been on an ego trip for going on 20 years. That’s who he is. All this “please stay…” is a smokescreen for him.

You look like a shill trying to Come off as a non-shill

What’s next? People are really “digging” the multiverse and are geeked up for “phase 11”?

 

[LSLS]

FYI, its the Board that comes up with the succession plan, not the CEO. So while Iger can make suggestions on who he thinks his successor should be, like he did with Chapek, its up to the Board to come up with the plan, vet the candidates, and ultimately choose who will succeed.

Also don't forget that Iger had a political career in mind post Disney, so yes he wanted to leave eventually.

So if anything its the failure of the Board to come up with a viable succession plan. Now we can get into the topic of if Iger ultimately swayed the Board into keeping himself in place all those years and what brought him back, but that is a topic for another thread.

If he wanted to leave, he would not have fired every potential replacement before he up and ran when Covid started coming down. And he CERTAINLY wouldn't have had a year long retirement tour, complain about not getting all the say on what Chapek did, and orchestrate his own return. There is no chance you are convincing me he has really wanted to leave. That board will do about anything he wants. If he wanted to leave, he just had to say so and they would have worked with him to select whoever he wanted.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Very true. Critically the film is middling, which befits its blah premise as a near 1:1 remake. Not saying that as a slight... just trying to be objective.

In terms of money, which I think we can all agree is the primary reason these remakes are being made, the film is doing "okay" as of right now. But it had a huge budget, and whether it makes a profit or not remains to be seen.

Yes, the films peak performance was also its debut. Though there will be more numbers to come its high point is now passed. Good is a proper descriptor, it is not a block buster. With more films coming TLM will now fade as just another live action remake.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If he wanted to leave, he would not have fired every potential replacement before he up and ran when Covid started coming down. And he CERTAINLY wouldn't have had a year long retirement tour, complain about not getting all the say on what Chapek did, and orchestrate his own return. There is no chance you are convincing me he has really wanted to leave. That board will do about anything he wants. If he wanted to leave, he just had to say so and they would have worked with him to select whoever he wanted.

…of course not.

It’s sad to even try to spin it away. Even the most ardent Iger defenders on this board have pivoted to a large extent.

We can all be Disney fans and still have intelligent thought. They don’t own our minds.

I just got back and had a great time…does that mean they still don’t have a lot of corporate level problems and I shouldn’t bring them up?

No…cause I want better management so I can continue to have a good time. I went on a new ride…always a nice thing.
So when’s the NEXT one gonna open?

…see?

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Maybe you didn't get the memo but Iger isn't being ousted, he was brought back for a 2 year period to right the ship and then he is gone.

So this "burn it down until Iger leaves" is silly and uninformed.

The other thing that's silly about this is thinking about what sort of person would be brought in to replace Iger if this fantasy came to pass.

So, the company starts haemorrhaging money and stock prices crash to the point that the CEO they just brought back in is forced out amidst the cries of angry investors who demand... a creative who cares not for budgets and money, nor for synergy and IP, but instead for the art of theme parks and animation? Not bloody likely!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Maybe you didn't get the memo but Iger isn't being ousted, he was brought back for a 2 year period to right the ship and then he is gone.

So this "burn it down until Iger leaves" is silly and uninformed.

Successor?

The other thing that's silly about this is thinking about what sort of person would be brought in to replace Iger if this fantasy came to pass.

So, the company starts haemorrhaging money and stock prices crash to the point that the CEO they just brought back in is forced out amidst the cries of angry investors who demand... a creative who cares not for budgets and money, nor for synergy and IP, but instead for the art of theme parks and animation? Not bloody likely!

This sounds like what the sports writers say to justify not firing a failing gm/coach cause it makes their job a little bit more difficult

 

[Sir_Cliff]

This sounds like what the sports writers say to justify not firing a failing gm/coach cause it makes their job a little bit more difficult

I've just seen this focussing on individual executives as the source of all of Disney's problems play out too many times over the years.

First, we were all hoping to "Promote Paul Pressler" to anywhere else in order to save Disneyland. He was promoted, alright: to head of the entire parks division! Then we were all behind "saving Disney" from Michael Eisner, only for him to be replaced by Bob Iger whose tenure brought its own issues. So, we finally got our wish and Iger left... only to be replaced by the one executive in the company fans of the parks arguably liked even less. Now we're back to replacing Iger to solve all of Disney's problems.

Executives play a role, but there are systemic issues that are more relevant and fans often end up cheering them on in the belief it will lead to the hated executive leaving and magic being restored to the kingdom. If share prices crash because Disney "only" makes $1 billion or so in profit during a quarter, that's worrying, not hopeful.

 

[Tha Realest]

I've just seen this focussing on individual executives as the source of all of Disney's problems play out too many times over the years.

First, we were all hoping to "Promote Paul Pressler" to anywhere else in order to save Disneyland. He was promoted, alright: to head of the entire parks division! Then we were all behind "saving Disney" from Michael Eisner, only for him to be replaced by Bob Iger whose tenure brought its own issues. So, we finally got our wish and Iger left... only to be replaced by the one executive in the company fans of the parks arguably liked even less. Now we're back to replacing Iger to solve all of Disney's problems.

Executives play a role, but there are systemic issues that are more relevant and fans often end up cheering them on in the belief it will lead to the hated executive leaving and magic being restored to the kingdom. If share prices crash because Disney "only" makes $1 billion or so in profit during a quarter, that's worrying, not hopeful.

This is why the whole “Good German” mystique that D’Amaro was just following Chapek’s orders was so silly.

There’s no functional daylight between Bob, Bob, and Josh. They only react and respond when their hands are blatantly caught in the cookie jar, and only when revenue starts to drop.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I've just seen this focussing on individual executives as the source of all of Disney's problems play out too many times over the years.

First, we were all hoping to "Promote Paul Pressler" to anywhere else in order to save Disneyland. He was promoted, alright: to head of the entire parks division! Then we were all behind "saving Disney" from Michael Eisner, only for him to be replaced by Bob Iger whose tenure brought its own issues. So, we finally got our wish and Iger left... only to be replaced by the one executive in the company fans of the parks arguably liked even less. Now we're back to replacing Iger to solve all of Disney's problems.

Executives play a role, but there are systemic issues that are more relevant and fans often end up cheering them on in the belief it will lead to the hated executive leaving and magic being restored to the kingdom. If share prices crash because Disney "only" makes $1 billion or so in profit during a quarter, that's worrying, not hopeful.

I’ll give you that.

It is a bit of a “corporate culture” issue. And not just Disney - the entire US/global structure…

But in Disneys case, they’ve let the last 2 CEOs control the board and run wild. There was a block on the first…but not this guy.

He needs to go. And let’s hope I’M WRONG and a legitimate successor is named very soon. Because it has to be. And that successor really has to come from the outside…or somekind of tandem/team division of labor.

It’s time…it’s past time.

Gonna be a rough couple of years here. If I hadn’t just saw the noticeable…very noticeable - drop in attendance…I would downplay those conserns.

How’d it look on that “record setting travel weekend” to you, @monothingie ?

 

[monothingie]

How’d it look on that “record setting travel weekend” to you, @monothingie ?

 

[BlakeW39]

Yes, the films peak performance was also its debut. Though there will be more numbers to come its high point is now passed. Good is a proper descriptor, it is not a block buster. With more films coming TLM will now fade as just another live action remake.

well, personally I would consider it a blockbuster just on account of its budget/marketing, but you're right, TLM is going to fade into nothingness with rest of the remakes, once Disney is done pumping them out.

 

[DKampy]

myself it

I mean, I’m not flowing in a river of money and I still like it when there is a new high profile movie release every weekend. It’s been a minute since anything interested us until Mermaid. Next weekend we have The Boogeyman, which is supposed to be pretty good, and then we get into a summer release schedule where things come out one after another and I for one couldn’t be happier about it.

The Boogeyman was originally suppose to be a streaming movie on Hulu, but apparently they were so impressed with the final result they moved it to theatrical… which is a good sign…it worked well for Smile and Evil Dead Rise