Disney's Live Action The Little Mermaid

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Is it possible that the little mermaid…the original and now the copy…just aren’t good movies?

No wait…this isn’t sarcasm.

The little mermaid…Ballyhooed in docs and Disney lore…was the first “big animation” movie that was mass accepted by audiences since the early 1970s. The “awaking sleeping beauty” deal.

But maybe it’s not a very good story and that has equalized? We had watched it many times when the kids where small. But it’s not anywhere on the level of BATB or Aladdin. Just better drawn movies with better stories and character.

Maybe the original mermaid is celebrated more for its timing than it’s quality? Just as the lion king - not a great story - is celebrated as the culmination of the backend of that same period?

So maybe the reason why this “fantastic” movie is not being accepted is it’s a remake of a movie that wasn’t that good and the timing doesn’t boost it now?

Trying to look at it from another angle. I don’t buy racism kills it. That’s lazy and doesn’t really matter to that level. And if we can’t use the actual business performance as a measure - which is like romper room intellectually - then there has to be another space to discuss?

It shall not be “these things happen…”

For Disney? Nope. No excuses for the behemoth.

 

[LittleBuford]

So maybe the reason why this “fantastic” movie is not being accepted is it’s a remake of a movie that wasn’t that good and the timing doesn’t boost it now?

American audiences have accepted it just fine. The original is an acknowledged masterpiece, and the remake is (in my opinion) very good. Clearly others feel differently, and that’s fine. But the film has been well received domestically at least.

 

[Tha Realest]

I also wouldn’t assume they’re genuine reviews, given the review bombing issue noted by IMDB. It’s not a stretch to see that happen on other sites as well.

'The Little Mermaid' Gets Review-Bombed on IMDb, Prompting Website to Apply 'Alternate' Rating System

IMDb added a note to reviews for 'The Little Mermaid' on its website noting that it has detected 'unusual voting activity' for the movie, after nearly 40% of the film's reviews gave it its worst possible rating

people.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

American audiences have accepted it just fine. The original is an acknowledged masterpiece, and the remake is (in my opinion) very good. Clearly others feel differently, and that’s fine. But the film has been well received domestically at least.

It was an opinion looking for a reason why people aren’t going?…which is correct by Disney and box office standards in 2023…

Just an opinion. Save the lecture, Dad. Disagree and move on.

So fast and the furious 31 didn’t make much in NA…they’re FINALLY over it. So we would all agree? Numbers aren’t hard.

How much does mermaid have to make this weekend in the US to be acceptable to prove audience support? Honest question.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Ok, again, wasn’t commenting on box office. The person I was responding to was commenting on the high number of pre-release negative views in Japan. All I was saying was that I was unsurprised, given the review bombing already documented for this movie.

#2 - from the article linked:

“Ultimately, though, the real impact of review bombing is still pernicious and unpleasant. Trolling makes it less fun to participate in the creation and enjoyment of big franchises, as a fan, as a creator, as an actor, and even as a marketer. It dampens enthusiasm, forcing non-toxic fans to go underground out of fear that they’ll be attacked for liking something that a racist troll deems too woke to exist. It forces talent to hire social management companies so they don’t have to deal directly with toxic fans, which means they also don’t get to engage with positive fans without strict guardrails. And it darkens the discourse by focusing only on divisive politics and the exhausting, tedious culture war.

Worse, trolling kills meaningful criticism and discussion about content, storytelling and quality — forcing everyone to pick a side and stick to it.”

 

[Disstevefan1]

Too soon?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ok, again, wasn’t commenting on box office. The person I was responding to was commenting on the high number of pre-release negative views in Japan. All I was saying was that I was unsurprised, given the review bombing already documented for this movie.

#2 - from the article linked:

“Ultimately, though, the real impact of review bombing is still pernicious and unpleasant. Trolling makes it less fun to participate in the creation and enjoyment of big franchises, as a fan, as a creator, as an actor, and even as a marketer. It dampens enthusiasm, forcing non-toxic fans to go underground out of fear that they’ll be attacked for liking something that a racist troll deems too woke to exist. It forces talent to hire social management companies so they don’t have to deal directly with toxic fans, which means they also don’t get to engage with positive fans without strict guardrails. And it darkens the discourse by focusing only on divisive politics and the exhausting, tedious culture war.

Worse, trolling kills meaningful criticism and discussion about content, storytelling and quality — forcing everyone to pick a side and stick to it.”

You missed the part where you were shown why review bombing doesn’t work…
…and rolled right in to “there’s review bombing going on”

Here’s you:

All I was saying was that I was unsurprised, given the review bombing already documented for this movie.

 

[Angel Ariel]

You missed the part where you were shown why review bombing doesn’t work…
…and rolled right in to “there’s review bombing going on”

Here’s you:

Respectfully, you’re missing the part where I said I was never commenting on whether or not it *worked*, just on that it was happening.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Too soon?
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Sometimes the movies we watch and amusements parks we go to are so intertwined in our souls/dna that there will never be any separation…
…without a davinci machine and a lot of pricey surgeons

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Respectfully, you’re missing the part where I said I was never commenting on whether or not it *worked*, just on that it was happening.

Ok…but you see how a small brain like me got confused by the

All I was saying was that I was unsurprised, given the review bombing already documented for this movie.

Part, right?

 

[Angel Ariel]

Ok…but you see how a small brain like me got confused by the

Part, right?

You’re missing the part where I said

Ok, again, wasn’t commenting on box office.

I didn’t comment on the fact that review bombing hasnt been shown to impact box office, as I had already made it clear my comment was never about box office in the first place. I was simply responding to a poster who noted the 1 star reviews in Japan and saying I doubted they were genuine reviews because of the already documented review bombing occurring.

 

[LittleBuford]

How much does mermaid have to make this weekend in the US to be acceptable to prove audience support? Honest question.

I honestly don’t know or care.

 

[Chi84]

Maybe stop the one-on-one arguing and take it to private messages.

 

[FettFan]

Is it possible that the little mermaid…the original and now the copy…just aren’t good movies?

No wait…this isn’t sarcasm.

That is to say….without TLM 1989, we wouldn’t have had the Disney Renaissance. It set the stage for Disney animation well into the 1990s.

And that’s why I find these remakes so offensive; the only one I’ve actually enjoyed was the Jungle Book, and even then it’s got GLARING problems.

I also enjoyed the first third of Maleficent, until it devolved into a cacophony of stupid.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That is to say….without TLM 1989, we wouldn’t have had the Disney Renaissance. It set the stage for Disney animation well into the 1990s.

I’m not making that claim…
…I’m saying maybe the “circumstances” are why it was that popular? It had the benefit of the times and became a lead in?

I’m just trying to figure this out. It’s underperforming what it should have been…and like Star Wars - blaming 5 trolls in moms basement is a lie and WEAK…

Disney refuses to introspect to make better product…so it falls to us.

 

[FettFan]

Disney refuses to introspect to make better product…so it falls to us.

Corporate laziness.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Ok, again, wasn’t commenting on box office. The person I was responding to was commenting on the high number of pre-release negative views in Japan. All I was saying was that I was unsurprised, given the review bombing already documented for this movie.

#2 - from the article linked:

“Ultimately, though, the real impact of review bombing is still pernicious and unpleasant. Trolling makes it less fun to participate in the creation and enjoyment of big franchises, as a fan, as a creator, as an actor, and even as a marketer. It dampens enthusiasm, forcing non-toxic fans to go underground out of fear that they’ll be attacked for liking something that a racist troll deems too woke to exist. It forces talent to hire social management companies so they don’t have to deal directly with toxic fans, which means they also don’t get to engage with positive fans without strict guardrails. And it darkens the discourse by focusing only on divisive politics and the exhausting, tedious culture war.

Worse, trolling kills meaningful criticism and discussion about content, storytelling and quality — forcing everyone to pick a side and stick to it.”

Considering that Japan just did a major production of Dreamgirls with no black people in it, I wouldn’t believe anything they say about The Little Mermaid.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Corporate laziness.

Amen…

But just so I’m not labeled as “messing” with people. Because I’m scratching my head on this too. Thought it’d make a billion and it may only eek to slightly half of that…

…but an old director/producer once said that his movies blew up as much for the time they arrived as the quality?

I bet you know who I’m quoting?
I think the original mermaid maybe a lot of that…and the failure (and I’m not gonna be shouted down on that label) for the new one might be the same in retrograde.

 

[LittleBuford]

I wish this thread could steer clear of speculation about racial attitudes in East Asia. There's something very distasteful about a bunch of largely US-based Westerners making broad generalisations about societies that have (as far as I'm aware) no representatives on these boards. The film hasn't done well in Europe either, yet we don't see similar statements being made of Europeans.

 

[Chi84]

I wish this thread could steer clear of speculation about racial attitudes in East Asia. There's something very distasteful about a bunch of largely US-based Westerners making broad generalisations about societies that have (as far as I'm aware) no representatives on these boards. The film hasn't done well in Europe either, yet we don't see similar statements being made of Europeans.

I think people are just discussing what they’re reading in news reports. Like it or not, there are many sources reporting on this movie in terms of those societies’ racial attitudes.