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[BrianLo]

Lets play this out the other direction.

Lets say that Disney doesn't build a 3rd gate on TSL, and instead does actually build out a hotel/retail/dining district there instead. And then builds out the west side with expansion with multiple lands and attractions.

Is anyone really going to be believably upset?

There seems to be a zero sum mindset that I don’t quite get amongst fandom.

I think because a new gate in the minds eye guarantees some sort of bolus. Though I largely find it just makes the whole thing lumpy and defocuses away from the current offerings.

Well, let's see.

Westcot at TSL: Opens with new lands and 9- 15 new attractions in one go.

Simba Expansions: New lands and attractions drawn over a long 40-year period.

Paris is the case example. All things being equal it also means no new things for Disneyland or DCA for 40 years.

 

[BrianLo]

My view is DLF was largely partial BS anyways. But I quite enjoy the possibilities of expanding the existing gates. Especially Disneyland, that I think provides major operational benefits if there are exits out to the parkade and western end of DTD.

My take is that I never remotely surmised Simba was in any way imminent and I’m really not sure why everyone convinced themselves that it was. The current project cycle at DCA was the ultimate means of putting it off for decade(s).

In this armchair imagineer brouhaha, I’m not sure why no one is actually looking where a third gate should go: Angel stadium. In that context Toy Story makes a lot of sense as a hotel island.

 

[coffeefan]

Paris is the case example. All things being equal it also means no new things for Disneyland or DCA for 40 years.

I'm no expert on DLP, but from what I understand, DAW was built because of some sort of government incentive/cost at play.

That is not a factor here, as it's pretty apparent there is demand for expansion at DLR. Despite the reservation hoops, costs, and slow investment, DLR still brings the crowds.

Another point is we don't have to imagine that happening at DLR, because after DCA was built, we still got new attractions at DL.

 

[coffeefan]

In this armchair imagineer brouhaha, I’m not sure why no one is actually looking where a third gate should go: Angel stadium. In that context Toy Story makes a lot of sense as a hotel island.

The Angel Stadium could be at play, but it's not yet on the chessboard. It's also no guarantee that Disney would acquire it, as it would be a strategic plot for a rival like Universal to take a bite out of DLR's lunch.

 

[Disney Irish]

The Angel Stadium could be at play, but it's not yet on the chessboard. It's also no guarantee that Disney would acquire it, as it would be a strategic plot for a rival like Universal to take a bite out of DLR's lunch.

That's the issue, there is no guarantee is any of this. No guarantee Disney will build a 3rd gate on TSL, no guarantee Disney would purchase GW, or any of the surrounding house around TSL.

So Angel stadium is just as realistic and viable as any of the other ideas thrown out here the last couple days. And since we're talking about a long enough timeline, its just as likely to be available as GW or any other future plot of land in the Resort.

 

[mickEblu]

That's the issue, there is no guarantee is any of this. No guarantee Disney will build a 3rd gate on TSL, no guarantee Disney would purchase GW, or any of the surrounding house around TSL.

So Angel stadium is just as realistic and viable as any of the other ideas thrown out here the last couple days. And since we're talking about a long enough timeline, its just as likely to be available as GW or any other future plot of land in the Resort.

Angel stadium is just as realistic as the land that Disney already owns?

 

[Disney Irish]

Angel stadium is just as realistic as the land that Disney already owns?

We've been talking about Disney buying Garden Walk and the apartments/houses around TSL to make a 3rd gate more viable in TSL, so yeah it is.

 

[BrianLo]

I'm no expert on DLP, but from what I understand, DAW was built because of some sort of government incentive/cost at play.

That is not a factor here, as it's pretty apparent there is demand for expansion at DLR. Despite the reservation hoops, costs, and slow investment, DLR still brings the crowds.

Another point is we don't have to imagine that happening at DLR, because after DCA was built, we still got new attractions at DL.

It’s more the matter of you have 10B of new capital spend over say 20 years. There is this mental math one commits to that if it’s mostly directed towards a new gate, it somehow won’t impair investment at the other two.

When in fact a new gate requires significant wastage on non guest facing facilities and infrastructure to pull off. It would actually go further if it’s not directed towards a satellite and provide a more consistent product stream that is not centered around a single bolus whenever it opens.

Some of this criticism extends from as much as I actually enjoy epic, the other two parks are in a very weird place. DCA still ultimately needs significant work and I’d hate to see that sidelined for the new side piece.

 

[BrianLo]

Angel stadium is just as realistic as the land that Disney already owns?

We've been talking about Disney buying Garden Walk and the apartments/houses around TSL to make a 3rd gate more viable in TSL, so yeah it is.

And getting rid of Disneyland hotel, which is technically impossible for 47 years unless they are going to buy me out of my timeshare.

Just keeping to the dreamy topic. Angel stadium and some sort of intra satellite transport system is the ultimate fan dream ideal.

 

[mickEblu]

And getting rid of Disneyland hotel, which is technically impossible for 47 years unless they are going to buy me out of my timeshare.

Just keeping to the dreamy topic. Angel stadium and some sort of intra satellite transport system is the ultimate fan dream ideal.

It’s not impossible but saying it’s equally realistic as Disney building on the land they already own is just statistically incorrect.

Not sure who mentioned getting rid of the DL hotel but that’s wasn’t me nor would I want that.

 

[coffeefan]

Just keeping to the dreamy topic. Angel stadium and some sort of intra satellite transport system is the ultimate fan dream ideal.

Angel stadium as the transportation hub and a major hotel complex. The OC Vibe may flop by then, so DisneyIrish can get the Disney mall he wants too.
And we get Westcot at TSL.

 

[DLR92]

I really don’t care what happens with Disneyland Hotel. It can be imploded and rebuilt for all I care. LOL

 

[BrianLo]

It’s not impossible but saying it’s equally realistic as Disney building on the land they already own is just statistically incorrect.

Not sure who mentioned getting rid of the DL hotel but that’s wasn’t me nor would I want that.

I never said it was equally realistic. I just implied I was surprised we were talking about annexing private property and Angel stadium wasn’t in the mix.

Single owned large swaths are theoretical (garden walk/ angel stadium). But private owned parcels Disney for sure won’t bother with. Otherwise you have a Candycane Inn holdout.

 

[mickEblu]

I never said it was equally realistic. I just implied I was surprised we were talking about annexing private property and Angel stadium wasn’t in the mix.

Single owned large swaths are theoretical (garden walk/ angel stadium). But private owned parcels Disney for sure won’t bother with. Otherwise you have a Candycane Inn holdout.

I didn’t say you said that. You responded to a reply that I made to Irish’s post. Irish said that.

 

[Disney Irish]

It’s not impossible but saying it’s equally realistic as Disney building on the land they already own is just statistically incorrect.

Not sure who mentioned getting rid of the DL hotel but that’s wasn’t me nor would I want that.

Equally realistic as TSL alone being a 3rd gate, maybe not. But just a realistic as Disney having to buy GW and property around TSL just to make a 3rd gate viable in TSL.

 

[mickEblu]

Equally realistic as TSL alone being a 3rd gate, maybe not. But just a realistic as Disney having to buy GW and property around TSL just to make a 3rd gate viable in TSL.

Important distinction ^

 

[mlayton144]

Yes, they can fit all of World Showcase's placemaking plus some additional attractions (about 9 total attractions, plus a couple of classy flat rides), and a couple hotels/DVC. They wouldn't re-use the layout of Epcot pavilions but just as proof of concept see below. The whole thing would be more urban as you say. More like the Hotel MiraCosta area of Tokyo DisneySea where the hotels become part of the placemaking and a thematic backdrop, or like Ministry of Magic in Epic. Including Garden Walk acreage is likely necessary.
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“A” for effort here but everything is crammed together like sardines? Where is the room to transition from one area of the world to the next? How would you transition to hide one region from the other, how would you transition one musical medley from Asian to European ? Where would all the people go? Is the vision that everyone would be inside? LOL but fair questions I think

 

[Distorian]

I really don’t care what happens with Disneyland Hotel. It can be imploded and rebuilt for all I care. LOL

I very much echo this. What does the Disneyland Hotel offer other than history, if even that? I can hardly even see the resemblance. There is no aesthetic merit and this land is vastly underused.

Disneyland, USA is the model of all other Disney Parks and a symbol of American greatness, its hotel should be the same. Why does Paris have the greatest of the Disneyland Hotels? This is what Disneyland, USA deserves, and more. In such a perfect climate as California, there ought to be grand gardens and fountains that can be enjoyed by hotel and park guests alike. The Grand Californian is an excellent hotel, and I see no reason the Disneyland Hotel should not be equally magnificent. Let the local motels serve as the reasonably rated residencies, but make Disneyland's accomodations fit for princesses.

 

[Disney Irish]

Important distinction ^

If you want to think so, sure. But I'm still with @BrianLo here overall. I think too much has been made about TSL being a 3rd gate. We're a long way off from anything being done with TSL, let alone it actually being a 3rd gate.

 

[DrStarlander]

“A” for effort here but everything is crammed together like sardines? Where is the room to transition from one area of the world to the next? How would you transition to hide one region from the other, how would you transition one musical medley from Asian to European ? Where would all the people go? Is the vision that everyone would be inside? LOL but fair questions I think

The "A for effort" is kind of hilarious because you're critiquing Tony Baxter, not me. Welcome to Westcot, a different genre of theme parks, dense and urbanized. Not conceived by me, but thank you.