DisneylandForward

[GravityFalls]

Lets play this out the other direction.

Lets say that Disney doesn't build a 3rd gate on TSL, and instead does actually build out a hotel/retail/dining district there instead. And then builds out the west side with expansion with multiple lands and attractions.

Is anyone really going to be believably upset?

The discussion up until this point has focused on what is likely to happen. Not what we'd like to happen.

 

[Disney Irish]

Haha of course, but none of those individuals think they'll end up broke. It takes a very self aware person to admit to themselves that they won't invest the money properly.

If you are financially responsible, taking the lump sum and reinvesting the money is the better move. It wasn't the best analogy for me to bring up. Decision to sell land won't be made without consulting serious financial advisors, the same can't be said for your average lottery winner.

That is why you take 50% immediately and even do something as simple as put it into a managed brokerage account.

 

[Disney Irish]

The discussion up until this point has focused on what is likely to happen. Not what we'd like to happen.

Disagree, because we don't know what Disney is actually likely to do. None of us here have any real insight into Disney's decision making on this subject, just what we feel they would do (with a bit of history thrown in), which is based on what we'd like to see happen.

So up to this point all of this is "what would be done if I were in charge", a "what if" scenario.

 

[GravityFalls]

Disagree, because we don't know what Disney is actually likely to do. None of us here have any real insight into Disney's decision making on this subject, just what we feel they would do (with a bit of history thrown in), which is based on what we'd like to see happen.

So up to this point all of this is "what would be done if I were in charge", a "what if" scenario.

The reason the Toy Story Lot/ third park discussion was brought up again was because of the construction of a serious looking fence along Disneyland drive. So it's a new piece of information which might be indicative of future plans.

 

[Disney Irish]

The reason the Toy Story Lot/ third park discussion was brought up again was because of the construction of a serious looking fence along Disneyland drive. So it's a new piece of information which might be indicative of future plans.

Might being the operative word there.

Again its not known what Disney is actually likely to do, this is all speculative based on personal desire of future outcomes.

One outcome is not more likely to occur over another at this point, we're still many decades away from knowing that outcome.

 

[Misted Compass]

My only thoughts on this, and its been brought up before, is that with no infrastructure in TSL the usable space is much much less than everyone thinks since that has to be accounted for.

So assuming that 1/3 is used for backstage for infrastructure. If my math is correct, you're looking at just over 48 acres of usable space (give or take some).

Worth noting that Universal Studios Singapore is actually the same size as your "usable space" estimate, but still big enough to fit 15 rides (with another under construction). It even has a lagoon in the middle.

 

[Disney Irish]

Worth noting that Universal Studios Singapore is actually the same size as your "usable space" estimate, but still big enough to fit 15 rides (with another under construction). It even has a lagoon in the middle.
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Thank you for the comparison. Helps visualize it a bit more. Not really a World Showcase layout however, but point taken.

 

[GravityFalls]

Might being the operative word there.

Again its not known what Disney is actually likely to do, this is all speculative based on personal desire of future outcomes.

"All" being the operative word there.

Speculative... yes.
Based on personal desire... not entirely.

(I give up after this)

 

[Disney Irish]

"All" being the operative word there.

Speculative... yes.
Based on personal desire... not entirely.

(I give up after this)

Some posters want a 3rd gate, and have had said so for many years, that isn't hidden. So its speculation based on wanting the 3rd gate, this shouldn't even be a debate.

 

[coffeefan]

Lets play this out the other direction.

Lets say that Disney doesn't build a 3rd gate on TSL, and instead does actually build out a hotel/retail/dining district there instead. And then builds out the west side with expansion with multiple lands and attractions.

Is anyone really going to be believably upset?

Well, let's see.

Westcot at TSL: Opens with new lands and 9- 15 new attractions in one go.

Simba Expansions: New lands and attractions drawn over a long 40-year period.

 

[Disney Irish]

Well, let's see.

Westcot at TSL: Opens with new lands and 9- 15 new attractions in one go.

Simba Expansions: New lands and attractions drawn over a long 40-year period.

Except that wasn't the scenario in my post.

So no Westcot, no World Showcase, no theme park at all at TSL, its only hotel/retail/dining district there. And any theme park is in the Simba and DL Hotel/old DTD Parking lots.

In that scenario is anyone really going to be believably upset?

 

[Distorian]

What if they just tore out DCA and made this pre-1989 version of the Resort? We have weird Epcot ball and pyramids, a beautiful new Disneyland hotel, Hollywood Land extending off of Main Street USA, an Epcot city and a World Showcase, hot air balloons everywhere, and, best of all, Indiana Jones and the Lost Expedition. Of course, that'd mean we'd never get Splash Mountain, which means no Tiana's Bayou Adventure, so maybe it's a good thing this didn't happen.

 

[DrStarlander]

As for Garden Walk, Universal Studios should buy it. Put in a pick-up/drop-off for buses that take Anaheim visitors up to USH. And of course block Disney from easy connection between EGW and Toy Story.

 

[coffeefan]

Except that wasn't the scenario in my post.

So no Westcot, no World Showcase, no theme park at all at TSL, its only hotel/retail/dining district there. And any theme park is in the Simba and DL Hotel/old DTD Parking lots.

In that scenario is anyone really going to be believably upset?

The problem with that scenario is that opportunity costs are always present.

 

[Disney Irish]

The problem with that scenario is that opportunity costs are always present.

You're always going to have opportunity costs in any scenario, even the 3rd gate scenario. There is always going to be advantages and disadvantages, benefits and tradeoffs, in any decision. That however wasn't the question.

 

[denyuntilcaught]

What if they just tore out DCA and made this pre-1989 version of the Resort? We have weird Epcot ball and pyramids, a beautiful new Disneyland hotel, Hollywood Land extending off of Main Street USA, an Epcot city and a World Showcase, hot air balloons everywhere, and, best of all, Indiana Jones and the Lost Expedition. Of course, that'd mean we'd never get Splash Mountain, which means no Tiana's Bayou Adventure, so maybe it's a good thing this didn't happen.

I need to know the context of whatever fever dream this drawing is.

 

[coffeefan]

You're always going to have opportunity costs in any scenario, even the 3rd gate scenario. There is always going to be advantages and disadvantages, benefits and tradeoffs, in any decision. That however wasn't the question.

But your proposed scenario requires the obvious alternative to be ignored. So I'll agree to disagree.

 

[Disney Irish]

But your proposed scenario requires the obvious alternative to be ignored. So I'll agree to disagree.

There are multiple scenarios that can be used here, picking one over another is going to require the others to be ignore obviously.

There are three main plots of land to be used here, TSL, Simba, DLH/old DTD Parking.

Basically one plot of land I think most can agree is going to be used for a hotels/retail/dining district, whether it includes theme park lands or not is debatable. Unless you think that Disney isn't going to build another hotel/retail space ever again in Anaheim I think we can just all agree on this. The only question is where is this going to go. And that I think is the piece of the puzzle that sets up the rest. And is likely going to be debated for the foreseeable future until they actually start movement on actual builds for DLForward.

 

[Distorian]

I need to know the context of whatever fever dream this drawing is.

All I can tell you is it's official WDI concept art from 1989, allegedly tied to Westcot.

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/westcot-concept-map-blueprint-772-c-044444eaa2

 

[DLR92]

All I can tell you is it's official WDI concept art from 1989, allegedly tied to Westcot.

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/westcot-concept-map-blueprint-772-c-044444eaa2

It just shows anything is still possible!