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Too Many Hats

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Pixar Pier is very immersive, in a way that only Bob Chapek and Josh D'Amaro could bring to life.

ACTUALLY, Fantasyland is a hodgepodge too, yet no one notices because they've gotten used to it. In time, Pixar Pier will be just as beloved. Peter Pan flies over London and Pinocchio journeys through Italy, yet no one complains about thematic inconsistency; how is that any different from a contemporary superhero family attending the ribbon-cutting of a mid-century modern roller coaster next door to a larger-than-life fast food chicken takeout box across from life-size anthropomorphic toys who play board games with you? Did I mention Pixar Pier spares guests the trauma of having to see a woman kissed in her sleep without her consent?
 

Ismael Flores

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Wait, I never heard about that plan. What was this going to be?
Heimlich was going to be moved over to the pier. The idea was to have the ride be similar to Alice in Wonderland. The ride track would travel within the helix then head over the shop roofs which would have had theming and props. Similar to how incredicoaster uses the roof line.
At one point the track would go thru the helix and the track would pass between silly symphonies creating a turn back to the helix and over the walkway.
It would have given the pier another kinetic element over peoples heads.
 

J4546

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Heimlich was going to be moved over to the pier. The idea was to have the ride be similar to Alice in Wonderland. The ride track would travel within the helix then head over the shop roofs which would have had theming and props. Similar to how incredicoaster uses the roof line.
At one point the track would go thru the helix and the track would pass between silly symphonies creating a turn back to the helix and over the walkway.
It would have given the pier another kinetic element over peoples heads.
i never neard that plan either....seems like it would have been extrememly expesive for a very short ride though
 

Ismael Flores

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Pixar Pier is very immersive, in a way that only Bob Chapek and Josh D'Amaro could bring
I kind of understand what their motive was for what they did with the pier design. I think the problem was that they did not go far enough with the idea.
I have been to what is left of some of those old seaside piers and have read about them before and one thing that was common to all of them was the eclectic mixed of architecture and bizzare themes.
The problem was that they went with a themed neighborhood with sections of the pier dedicated to one movie.

What they should have done is mix the theming while maintaining one cohesive element. Instead of picking three main movies.
They also did not go far enough to add layering.

Lets say for example,

Instead of re-using most of the coaster queue canopy why not remove it and move it.
They had the concept for a queue that would have been built in the eastern helix.
A large marquee placed on the structure with entrance into the existing helix gates. A nice rotunda building that had an interior circular queue ramp. The queue then came out thru a small bridge that merged and connected to the upper level existing queue.

This would have opened up the front area of the land where we have the extended queue and fountain. In this area i would have envisioned a new themed pedestal with a relocated zephyr.
The kinetic movement over the walkways would have added so much to the pier. A new color scheme and the golden zephyr could have had a minimal theme to Wall-e. It would have continued the cohesive theme of Pixar but still had the underlying victorian feel of the buildings around it.


Since that is basically out if the question now, i still think the pier has room for improvement and growth.
First thing i would do is close the wheel for a major theme enhancement.

I still think they should consider reclaiming some of the water area that surrounds the back of wheel and behind the projection devices. Also the area between the helix and silly fun wheel. Part of that is challenging because they have in take and outtakes for the water in that Area but i think they can leave the water and just extend a wooden boardwalk over it.
Once that is done fit in a structure that can become one of the main stores for the area. This along with the hot stand next to it and a wrap around boardwalk that connects to the area between silly symphony and helix and also connect to the under utilized first deck of the swings would create an alternative path to explore. Think the pathway near splash and mansion along rivers edge.
At the same time give the wheel a proper entrance structure.

Now that you have a new themed boardwalk along the water for shopping gut the existing shops. Extend the building like they did for midway mania out into the boardwalk and create a load/unload area for a new darkride.
Punch thru the coaster again and use the footprint of the existing parade building for the show building. Something for the family a nice mixture of set pieces and projections if necessary a much needed dark ride
i never neard that plan either....seems like it would have been extrememly expesive for a very short ride though
the track would have been much longer than it was. Also the train cars would not have been as long allowing for more continuous loading.
They basically would have used the heimlich theming but proper ride system that would allow elevation change.
The original ride system would not have worked at an elevated track for safety reasons
 
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Ismael Flores

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i never neard that plan either....seems like it would have been extrememly expesive for a very short ride though
If somebody has the patience and if i remember correctly one of the concept arts for the pier actually showed the attraction. One of the pieces in the blue sky cellar might have also had it
 

etc98

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ACTUALLY, Fantasyland is a hodgepodge too, yet no one notices because they've gotten used to it. In time, Pixar Pier will be just as beloved. Peter Pan flies over London and Pinocchio journeys through Italy, yet no one complains about thematic inconsistency; how is that any different from a contemporary superhero family attending the ribbon-cutting of a mid-century modern roller coaster next door to a larger-than-life fast food chicken takeout box across from life-size anthropomorphic toys who play board games with you? Did I mention Pixar Pier spares guests the trauma of having to see a woman kissed in her sleep without her consent?
Yeah I don’t think the idea of a hodgepodge of Pixar IPs is necessarily bad. I think part of the reason why Pixar Pier fails but Fantasyland succeeds is largely the (in)consistent aesthetic.

Even before the retheme, the pier had rides themed to a bunch of different IPs. The Fab 5, Toy Story, The Little Mermaid, California itself. But all (or at least most of) the rides and buildings had a Victorian aesthetic. Theres no reason they couldn’t have kept going with that idea. It could have just been a Victorian boardwalk where all the rides and attractions were themed to Pixar instead of the various of IPs that it was before.

And they did sort of try to do that in some places. The redone entryway with the shop, the bandstand, the star string lights. But then they ignored the Victorian theme elsewhere, the mid century modern Incredicoaster, the giant fiberglass Jessie statue, the cartoony snack stands.

I think that contradiction is where the issue comes from. If they had done it all in a consistent Victorian aesthetic, I would mind it much less
 

Consumer

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Personally I hate the color changes to the land. The former felt much more peaceful and subtle, whereas now everything is garish and loud. The scream tubes are the perfect example. The blue tubes blended into the sky, now the red ones scream for attention. The light poles, the umbrellas, Midway Mania... all of the color changes were just completely wrong.
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D.Silentu

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Apart from the scream tubes I really hadn't noted the color changes, but you're right. The older colors were more suitably subtle. Something that has stood out to me, observing the Pixar Place Hotel and Pixar Fest, is the obsession with red, blue and yellow. I realize they are the colors of the Luxo ball, but I wonder does anyone outside the company associate those colors with Pixar?
 

britain

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Personally I hate the color changes to the land. The former felt much more peaceful and subtle, whereas now everything is garish and loud. The scream tubes are the perfect example. The blue tubes blended into the sky, now the red ones scream for attention. The light poles, the umbrellas, Midway Mania... all of the color changes were just completely wrong.
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The red tubes are a change I stand behind. If they’re going to be there, own it. Be bold. The pale blue made it look like they were embarrassed that they were there. And it because it was pale it looked like it had once been a bold blue but had been bleached by the sun and hadn’t been repainted due to cheapness.
 

etc98

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The red tubes are a change I stand behind. If they’re going to be there, own it. Be bold. The pale blue made it look like they were embarrassed that they were there. And it because it was pale it looked like it had once been a bold blue but had been bleached by the sun and hadn’t been repainted due to cheapness.
I agree, I’m all for the bolder color palette rather than something that looks washed out. I like the new Toy Story Mania color scheme better too.

I will say I’m not a fan of the yellow light posts though.
 

DLR92

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Personally I hate the color changes to the land. The former felt much more peaceful and subtle, whereas now everything is garish and loud. The scream tubes are the perfect example. The blue tubes blended into the sky, now the red ones scream for attention. The light poles, the umbrellas, Midway Mania... all of the color changes were just completely wrong.
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I miss the older paint palate. It blends with the environment better.
 

MagicWDI

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As much as I dislike the Pixar Pier makeover, Bob Chapik probably saw it as a success, and if asked probably still does. And this, unfortunately , is exactly what they board wants. The place is packed and the guest satisfaction numbers are probably just inside where Disney likes them to be. Gold in their eyes.

We are in an IP driven era at the moment. We can thank Frozen ever after for this. A simple makeover of a rich attraction that fit perfectly in its home in Norway, with an extremely popular IP, and the guests ate it up! They love it and they have spoken. It's what the people want. If that's the case, I hope Disney truly makes these additions way better than what they did for Pixar Pier.
 

TP2000

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Something that has stood out to me, observing the Pixar Place Hotel and Pixar Fest, is the obsession with red, blue and yellow. I realize they are the colors of the Luxo ball, but I wonder does anyone outside the company associate those colors with Pixar?

No, we don't. It's just red, blue and yellow.

I think if you are going to associate a specific color to a company/brand, it can only be one color, two colors at most.

Like the Tiffany blue for Tiffany & Co., or that specific shade of red for Coca-Cola, or that bright orange for Tide detergent, etc., etc.

But to try and claim all three primary colors as your brand just isn't going to work. It's too broad.
 

MistaDee

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Nonsense. Paradise Pier is just Main Street USA but with rides. People hate on it because the rides aren't elaborately themed, but there's no denying the land itself wasn't well themed. Compare the Boardwalk section of Knott's to Paradise Pier. There's no competition.

Nonsense? I'll presume you're defending the version of Paradise Pier after the massive re-investment, and not the original horror show that opened with the park. Nonetheless, there's some fundamental differences you're failing to properly acknowledge:

1. Design: Main Street USA is designed from the ground up to transport you to a living, breathing, Victorian town. Paradise Pier is themed to a seaside amusement park, the very environment Walt found so unsatisfactory that he set out to create hsi own alternative. Furthermore, can find similar experiences at the Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk or San Diego's Belmont Park, both of which retain actual historical rides from that era.

2. Execution: Originally built with contemporary architecture you'd find at a mall Paradise Pier's re-imagining tried its very best to paper "Victorian" themeing over the bones of the land, but lacks all the little details, street atmosphere and depth that help make Main Street USA feel truly transportative. It certainly doesn't help to have a contemporary hotel tower and a gigantic Arts and Crafts hotel bearing down on it, or the ample views of convention centers and parking lots available to those riding anything with some verticality.

The fact that you're using Knott's as the comparison is just further proof that you've dropped the goal posts far below what I'd consider Disney standards. How does it compare to the American Waterfront at DisneySea? I'd say "no competition"
 

Consumer

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1. Design: Main Street USA is designed from the ground up to transport you to a living, breathing, Victorian town. Paradise Pier is themed to a seaside amusement park, the very environment Walt found so unsatisfactory that he set out to create hsi own alternative. Furthermore, can find similar experiences at the Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk or San Diego's Belmont Park, both of which retain actual historical rides from that era.
Walt disliked the seaside amusement piers because they were full of drinking and unsavory behavior, which is what his brand is now associated with.
2. Execution: Originally built with contemporary architecture you'd find at a mall Paradise Pier's re-imagining tried its very best to paper "Victorian" themeing over the bones of the land, but lacks all the little details, street atmosphere and depth that help make Main Street USA feel truly transportative. It certainly doesn't help to have a contemporary hotel tower and a gigantic Arts and Crafts hotel bearing down on it, or the ample views of convention centers and parking lots available to those riding anything with some verticality.

The fact that you're using Knott's as the comparison is just further proof that you've dropped the goal posts far below what I'd consider Disney standards. How does it compare to the American Waterfront at DisneySea? I'd say "no competition"
You ever sit along the boardwalk in Paradise Pier at dusk as the popcorn lights just start to twinkle? It's a lovely atmosphere and absolutely comparable to Main Street USA.
 

MistaDee

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Walt disliked the seaside amusement piers because they were full of drinking and unsavory behavior, which is what his brand is now associated with.

You ever sit along the boardwalk in Paradise Pier at dusk as the popcorn lights just start to twinkle? It's a lovely atmosphere and absolutely comparable to Main Street USA.

It's a nice atmosphere, as is watching the sun set over the Pacific in Santa Cruz.

I certainly wouldn't consider it a uniquely Disney experience in the same way hunting for Imagineers names in the windows, sitting down with Mr. Lincoln or riding towards the castle in an omnibus are in Main Street USA

Even less so now that it's Pixar Pier
 

MistaDee

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After visiting Disney World last week, these are the three rides I want replicated here and I don’t care if we already have a Guardians ride.
1. Cosmic Rewind
2. Tron Lightcycle
3. Avatar Flight of Passage.

I would level the Hyperion Theater and Mission Breakout in a heartbeat for Cosmic Rewind.

Hate the idea of replicating rides within the US. Maybe Flight of Passage ride system could be used for a CoCo flying ride or the Cosmic Rewind system could be used for a Marvel coaster in Avengers campus

Tron is too short to merit consideration in my humble opinion
 

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