Phroobar
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My sister when to one. She said she had more fun at a blood drive mobile. The cookies were better too.
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TP2000
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That's what I was afraid of.
When I lived in OC I went to a city planning commission meeting once for the town next door to mine, when some big rezoning proposals for major thoroughfares were up for debate. When it came time for public comments, a ragtag group of concerned citizens stood in line to speak and it was... disastrous. I had to leave at the two hour mark because I couldn't handle stifling laughter any longer.
There was a volunteer lady at the back offering weak coffee and little Dixie cups full of apple juice that I didn't trust.
One thing I do remember, and that seemed to unite everyone speaking, was the fear that the rezoning would lead to something that looked like Anaheim's Platinum Triangle. The planners and city officials openly mocked Anaheim's Platinum Triangle debacle, declared it to look "awful" and "Soviet", and they vowed they would never make the same mistakes that Anaheim makes. Oof! Not a lot of love for Anaheim in OC these days...
BrianLo
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I get the sheer pessimism I guess, though maybe not so much from the lens of Disneyland. None of this really jives with what Disney has been pedalling these days. They are eager to expand their theme park space. Disneyland Resort is generally pretty tapped out. Yes DCA could better hold its weight, but it's not even a WDW experience where at any given time 2 1/2 parks are underperforming.
Even if it's just a repeat of the last Iger decade. Disneyland still expanded twice with Galaxies Edge and MMRR, so a replay still sees us reasonably expand beyond the borders. I certainly don't have visions of 7 new lands in a decade, but at the same token downplaying any semi-major theme park expansion at all with the money seems overtly pessimistic.
The Disneyland DVC Tower is deeded for 50 years. Disney cannot legally remove that tower or its immediate pool complex. I'm pretty confident the whole Disneyland Hotel complex isn't going anywhere either for another half century.
Except Ironically D23 this summer.
$1.9 Billion. Spread across 3,500+ new hotel rooms and DVC units, plus 800,000 square feet of retail/dining/hotel amenities, and whatever is left over hopefully buys you two E Tickets and a C Ticket spinner.
Two pedestrian bridges over Disneyland Drive not included. Plus a $5 Million kickback payment to Anaheim city hall.
Lmao, but in all seriousness it would also not include a billion dollar parking garage/Eastern Gateway project. They seem very motivated to get that done and that's partially what the Disneyland Forward is trying to hide, approval for Eastern Gateway without the opposition they ran into last time derailing it all.
As to everyone's points about spending on hotels, again this first of all isn't consistent with the last decade under Iger. They did not spend on hotels / shopping at a 3:1 ratio compared to parks and attractions. It may have actually be a 3:1 ratio in favour of parks (again ignoring the parking garage). I'm not sure why that is suddenly going to change this decade. A lot of money will still go to the parks. Less than the optimists say but also more than what you think.
The Disneyland DVC hotel is (if I generously think it is going to start averaging 33% more than it did sales wise in January) going to take 5 and a half years to sell out. I'm not saying we won't see a hotel at DLR, in fact I think we very likely will. But it likely will be just one new hotel / DVC resort and probably not even until next decade. DVC is pretty slow to sell in California historically, it won't be like WDW with a new DLR DVC needed every 2-5 years.
BrianLo
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Arendelle, Wakanda and Coco. Whatever comes to be, I feel fairly certain these three things will be it (and maybe the entirety of 'it') in a decade.
Arendelle in HKDL is beautifully scaled to fit in Disneyland. It's already proven a massive attendance Boone with multiple visits from Iger/D'amaro. While I'm beyond certain the Tokyo ride will be extremely impressive, Disneyland doesn't need a massive Frozen attraction. Give me a beautiful, charming little land with a nice D+ ticket boat ride attached to it, a little pond in front and some great Nordic cuisine. That's Disneyland.
Arendelle in HKDL is beautifully scaled to fit in Disneyland. It's already proven a massive attendance Boone with multiple visits from Iger/D'amaro. While I'm beyond certain the Tokyo ride will be extremely impressive, Disneyland doesn't need a massive Frozen attraction. Give me a beautiful, charming little land with a nice D+ ticket boat ride attached to it, a little pond in front and some great Nordic cuisine. That's Disneyland.
Nirya
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Yeah, that's why I started my thing with "if money was no object". I also don't think they'll touch the Disneyland Hotel for a long time, but I also don't think we'll see much in the way of expansion into the area they keep teasing. I think we're more likely to get improvements on what is already there (Tomorrowland/Fantasyland/Hollywood Land) before we get full-blown expansions at this point.
BrianLo
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The 1.9 billion commitment specifically has to be spent West of Disneyland Drive / on the Toy Story lot. Anything inside the boundaries of the existing theme parks does not fulfill that commitment.
That's kind of the biggest news piece that has changed for us in this thread recently. I agree long ago when this started there was really nothing worth getting excited about before, it was all just vague and made up concept art. We have now gone from they are merely seeking rezoning, towards they actually seem to have 'a plan' to do something with it as part of their commitment to get the rezoning to happen.
The plan could be bad, but there is now 'a plan'. Otherwise Disney would not be willingly committing a dollar figure towards it.
Why though? It all harkens back to the trouble they had with the cancelled hotel and Eastern Gateway. They don't want local politics and businesses to derail the things they actually intend to carry through.
As far as 'the plan' goes... I actually suspect there is now more substance there then people think there is. Otherwise they wouldn't be presenting a budgeted amount. They are never going to tell us what it is though until they get the approvals first. They figured out how to play that game from their last failed attempt.
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mickEblu
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You don’t think it’s a little redundant at Disneyland with the Fantasyland European village aesthetic and the Matterhorn? Is that what Disneyland goes all in on with their last major plot of land on the DL side? The 4th take of a mediocre boat ride? Don’t get me wrong I think World of Frozen at Hong Kong is gorgeous but it also has those beautiful natural surroundings. Also if I’m not mistaken FEA was only the parks second boat ride/ water ride.
I’ll be honest, they can do a lot worse and if announced I wouldn’t be upset and be glad it’s not Zootopia or something like that. Just think they can do something more unique/better.
Now, if they were to make some tweaks, pull out all the stops and make it a real E ticket that could be a game changer.
EDIT: third boat/ water ride
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BrianLo
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Perhaps, but I'm sometimes afraid of the "something else". It is redundant, but it's somewhat redundant because it actually kind of belongs. Though I was more picturing it being next to Matterhorn... That was the skipped over plan once upon a time.
Mostly the land in HKDL looks like Disneyland to me and very few things the company tends to do produce that feeling. The version of the ride is fairly plussed in the right ways from Maelstrom. It runs like 2 minutes longer, even if there aren't added scenes.
There are a whole lot worse things, I guess I'm afraid of that. I don't inherently dislike Zootopia, but Disney has this ticking time bomb on both coasts of basically no where it fits and I shudder at where they land.
D.Silentu
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Likewise. While I don't want the land, one thing I hope that translates from it to whatever they build for Disneyland Forward is the kinetic visual interest that saturates the area. It's easy to imagine that we will get Arendelle and while I think the land looks handsome enough, it appears to me as static as Galaxy's Edge. It just seems more appealing because European style villages inherently are.
CaptinEO
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Who knows what Disney property will be popular 5 years from now. I don't imagine Disney has set plans for rides right now, probably some vague proposals and that's about it. I'd imagine construction to clear out and fix up the land itself will take years on its own.
Even if this gets approved today I'd imagine we'd see nothing before 2030.
Even if this gets approved today I'd imagine we'd see nothing before 2030.
truecoat
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mickEblu
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Are you sure? He was off by 13.5 acres? He seems a lot more capable than that.
Disney Irish
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Yeah, I sort of mentioned the same thing before. There would be a whole area left over for other things, as I mentioned its not a one-for-one. Its an interesting idea, but I don't think its a perfect fit just based on the HKFrozen plot matching up a bit with a parking lot in CA. I doubt it was "pre-planned" that way as he indicates.
mickEblu
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Yeah I don’t think it was “pre planned” either but 13.5 acres is a lot to be off by.
Disney Irish
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I haven't measured HKFrozen but Stitch is ~20ish acres, so it does sound about right if Frozen is only ~6.5.
Disney Irish
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I believe April/May.
denyuntilcaught
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Anaheim residents concerned over Disney’s plan to buy public roads
Anaheim residents have raised concerns over plans for Disneyland to buy a public road from the city as part of its Disneyland Forward project proposal. Disney hopes to buy Magic Way, a 1,150-foot r…
ktla.com
Randy Lewis, who lives near the Disneyland Resort, said he uses Magic Way during his morning commute. “Magic Way is near and dear to my heart. I love Magic Way.” Lewis said during the public comment portion of the meeting.
Guess we found the < 100 folks per day who use Magic Way. Sounds like a silly reason to push back or delay something of this scope.