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News Disneyland to give Snow White’s Scary Adventures dark ride a major facelift in 2020

britain

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Nice animated shadows next to the loading area.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Getting the positive some praise first- the new ending scenes look decent. I'm also glad the cliff scene is still present in some capacity, I assumed correctly that they would be replacing it for the new ending. But i'm glad it was relocated and not cut outright.

Other than that, the changes were about what I had feared. Hideous colors on the new facade. The new dancing Snow White figure was an unnecessary alteration. Her previous spot on the staircase is now conspicuously empty, despite the fact that guest eyes are still directed more towards that point than the new figure (WDW's 94 refurb actually had a similar issue). The backside of the cottage removed most of the beautiful dark-lit murals (such as the distant castle with full moon and fireflies) and replaced it with less detailed and more brightly lit ones instead. That entire scene had its atmosphere ruined. The new projections are also very flat, especially the the one of Grumpy in the mine. The dungeon skeletons were all evicted. But the most awkward alteration is the magic mirror nonsensically crammed inside the moat tunnel formerly occupied by the Witch on her boat. I have no idea what they were thinking. Dark forest is gone too of course, very very lame but also what we knew would happen.

While I'm grateful some amount of the original cliff scene remained, it also looks sort of awkwardly cramped and a shame the Witch is no longer a physical figure trying to push the boulder. The new ending scene also wasted a lot of its own space and should have included the dwarfs waving goodbye like the other happy endings from WDW and Paris. But they're just absent entirely. The art quality on the background murals are also noticeably less impressive and detailed than the concept art suggested.

I very much hope they don't make these same alterations in Paris. That version is based directly on New Fantasyland 1983. And the rides are/were virtually identical besides minor changes in set dressing and props. The order of the scenes, track layout and even building sizes are the exact same (both even sharing vehicle storage with Pinocchio). The only change made to Paris is the unload area was moved slightly further ahead so they could fit in a proper ending. It didn't include the coffin scene, but it's IMO a better version of the Snow and Prince riding off. Better murals, forced perspective effects and included the dwarfs waving goodbye (only the faces on Snow and Prince look "off", which would be very easy to correct without destroying an otherwise great ride).
 
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Giss Neric

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Reading some of the comments here, I can conclude that some people just hate happiness and joy. Probably some just hate changes. Probably some are just dark and just wants to watch the world burn.

In my opinion, especially given the space they could work on, this was well done. It could use some track extension (unlikely cause they can't extend the showbuilding) to add a scene or two but overall I like it.
 

dennis-in-ct

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a) So they did get rid of the scary forest part. But it's actually ok? The witch's basement parts still hold the scariness. The all-important queen-hag transformation is still there (so at least they didn't go the Fantasmic route).

b) It doesn't seem like they slowed down the ride, but looking at the ride time it seems true. The ride was probably too fast before.

c) I think there is a better conception of the Snow White mirror scene. Probably an animatronic of her arm falling to the floor and the apple rolling away (basically like what was in the movie). Implication is often more menacing.

d) The scenes at the end are terrific. Makes good use of small spaces. Intimacy is often the key to immersiveness, Disney. And no millions in newfangled gobbledygook will ever change that.

e) For the umpteenth time, why can't Disney make rides like this anymore? Everything now is either a blockbuster mega-E or spinners. But I've always considered these 4 seater dark rides the heart of all the castle parks. I'd take another one of these over any new "land."
Why don’t they make rides like this anymore?
Well, the last time Disney made a ride like that here in the US parks was Winnie the Pooh and People seemed to rip the hell out of for some reason (because it wasn’t Tokyo’s Honey Hunt I guess). I personally really liked it both FL and Anaheim.
Snow White looks great!! The projection mapping touches are gorgeous and add a lot of Magic. Florida should take a lesson. *cough*Big Thunder*cough*
 

TP2000

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Why don’t they make rides like this anymore?
Well, the last time Disney made a ride like that here in the US parks was Winnie the Pooh and People seemed to rip the hell out of for some reason (because it wasn’t Tokyo’s Honey Hunt I guess). I personally really liked it both FL and Anaheim.
Snow White looks great!! The projection mapping touches are gorgeous and add a lot of Magic. Florida should take a lesson. *cough*Big Thunder*cough*

Florida doesn't need charming little C Ticket rides. It only needs timeshares, corporate malls, and cloned E Tickets. :cool:

But seriously, I love that Disneyland has shepherded its huge fleet of all sorts of rides nicely into the 21st century. Disneyland has the most E Tickets of any Disney theme park anywhere, and I can't see that changing for at least another 25 years. Maybe more.

But Disneyland also has a huge roster of smaller B, C and D Ticket rides that add immensely to the overall park experience. Stuff like this update to Snow White is just the latest example.

There was a brief period in the mid to late 1990's when Disneyland was closing it's smaller rides with no replacements, as part of a strategy by Paul Pressler and his then-boss Judson Greene. Disneyland lost the Skyway, the Motorboat Cruise, and the Mike Fink Keelboats then. Thankfully that era stopped and was reversed quickly in the early 2000's. Pressler and Greene are not just long gone, they are no longer on the company's Christmas card list. ;)

That they are plussing up rides like this now in the 2020's shows they learned their lesson, and thankfully with only a few casualties.
 

BayouShack

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Why don’t they make rides like this anymore?
Well, the last time Disney made a ride like that here in the US parks was Winnie the Pooh and People seemed to rip the hell out of for some reason (because it wasn’t Tokyo’s Honey Hunt I guess). I personally really liked it both FL and Anaheim.
Snow White looks great!! The projection mapping touches are gorgeous and add a lot of Magic. Florida should take a lesson. *cough*Big Thunder*cough*
Pooh isn’t exactly a “ride like” Snow. Pooh is like Indiana Jones if all the sets were 2D flats: it has the absurd scale of Indiana Jones with the old school design of Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work.

I’m pretty sure the system does share a lot of the design features with the other EMV ride systems.

Charm was certainly sacrificed for capacity. The set design on the original busbar version isn’t bad, but it wasn’t properly adapted and rescaled for those massive cars.

Not sure what they were thinking!

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I’ve been on all 3 variations of the ride and the DL version turned out all soft and misshapen. There’s nothing wrong with the other busbar versions of the ride, because those are actually built like the classic dark rides. But the Disneyland version is just scenes in one long room that blend into one another.

Compare POVs of the Disneyland versus WDW/HKDL/SHDL versions. Completely different rides!
 

Sharon&Susan

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Why don’t they make rides like this anymore?
Well, the last time Disney made a ride like that here in the US parks was Winnie the Pooh and People seemed to rip the hell out of for some reason (because it wasn’t Tokyo’s Honey Hunt I guess). I personally really liked it both FL and Anaheim.
Snow White looks great!! The projection mapping touches are gorgeous and add a lot of Magic. Florida should take a lesson. *cough*Big Thunder*cough*
Wouldn't Monsters Inc. Mike and Sully to the Rescue be the last true one (even if the ride system and track is reused from Superstar Limo)

Though IMO, the last one that really captured the spirit and feel of the Fantasyland dark rides in the US was Roger Rabbit Car-toon Spin.
 

TP2000

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Pooh isn’t exactly a “ride like” Snow. Pooh is like Indiana Jones if all the sets were 2D flats: it has the absurd scale of Indiana Jones with the old school design of Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work.

I’m pretty sure the system does share a lot of the design features with the other EMV ride systems.

Charm was certainly sacrificed for capacity. The set design on the original busbar version isn’t bad, but it wasn’t properly adapted and rescaled for those massive cars.

Not sure what they were thinking!

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I’ve been on all 3 variations of the ride and the DL version turned out all wrong. There’s nothing wrong with the other busbar versions of the ride, because those are actually built like the classic dark rides. But the Disneyland version is just scenes in one long room that blend into one another.

Agreed. Disneyland's Pooh is the weakest of the three. And that's not saying much because Florida's version ain't that great.

Only Tokyo has an impressive Pooh ride, and it's hugely successful at storytelling and being immersive (before Chapek sullied that otherwise fine adjective).

Shoehorning the Pooh ride into the massive double-theater Country Bear Jamboree seems to have been it's downfall. The scale is so big, but they have nothing to do but go in a big U-shaped circuit through that building. You can literally tell you are just going to the back of the building and then making a 180 degree turn and heading back out. That's not good design. It fails.
 

BayouShack

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Anyone notice something weird about that POV that was shared? The audio and lighting flowing from the cauldron scene to the cottage scene is chaotic. Everything blends together all wrong. I’m hoping it was just bad show, and not the way it’s designed to flow.
 

MickeyWaffleCo.

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I may be in the minority, but I think the changes are fantastic. The projections and lighting effects add to the physical sets and aren’t overpowering. This is how Disney should be using projections.

I agree that the ending feels rushed, but I think it flows well enough given the space constraints. It’s way better than Scary Adventures was, at any rate.
 

DrAlice

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Overall, I like what they've done. My one criticism is lies with the animation of Snow White eating the apple. I think it should've ended with her hand on the floor (like the movie). If it did, I think the flow at the back half of the ride would make more sense. The exploding mirror bit kind of breaks the narrative for me.

Having said that, I think the ending works a heck of a lot better than what was there before. Looking forward to seeing it in person!
 

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