Disneyland Resort - New Entry Gates Incoming?

[Disney Analyst]

These permits were posted by @SSG in the wonderful permits thread, but this probably deserves a thread.

Permit #:	BLD2023-06032	Address:	1616 S Disneyland Dr 524
Issued:	12/8/2023	Contractor:
Census:	437 Additions, Alterations And Conversions - Nonresidential And Nonhousekeeping	Phone #:
Parcel #:	08219027	Type Of Work:	Tenant Improvement
Valuation:	$301,000.00	Description:	Dca - Gate 524 - Tenant Improvement: Install (3) New Automatic Guest Entry Gates And Fixed Manual Gates. Install New Overhead Shrouds.

Permit #:	BLD2023-06034	Address:	1515 S Harbor Blvd 120
Issued:	12/8/2023	Contractor:
Census:	437 Additions, Alterations And Conversions - Nonresidential And Nonhousekeeping	Phone #:
Parcel #:	08219027	Type Of Work:	Tenant Improvement
Valuation:	$1,800,000.00	Description:	Dca - Turnstile #120 - Tenant Improvement: Remove Existing Turnstile And Gates And Install (24) New Automatic Guest Entry Gates, (2) Fixed Manual Gates And (10) Removable Railings. Install New Overhead Shrouds. Replace (2) Fabric Awnings.

Permit #:	BLD2023-06035	Address:	1313 S Harbor Blvd
Issued:	12/8/2023	Contractor:
Census:	437 Additions, Alterations And Conversions - Nonresidential And Nonhousekeeping	Phone #:
Parcel #:	08219019	Type Of Work:	Tenant Improvement
Valuation:	$3,000,000.00	Description:	Dlr- Turnstile - Tenant Improvement: Remove Existing Turnstile And Gates And Install (38) New Automatic Guest Entry Gates, (4) Fixed Manual Gates And (6) Removable Railings. Install New Overhead Shrouds.

Is the biggest change to entry experience at Disneyland we’ve seen incoming? When do we think this project would start?

Do we think Disneyland goes the Paris route?

Or the WDW route?

 

[mickEblu]

These permits were posted by @SSG in the wonderful permits thread, but this probably deserves a thread.

Permit #:	BLD2023-06032	Address:	1616 S Disneyland Dr 524
Issued:	12/8/2023	Contractor:
Census:	437 Additions, Alterations And Conversions - Nonresidential And Nonhousekeeping	Phone #:
Parcel #:	08219027	Type Of Work:	Tenant Improvement
Valuation:	$301,000.00	Description:	Dca - Gate 524 - Tenant Improvement: Install (3) New Automatic Guest Entry Gates And Fixed Manual Gates. Install New Overhead Shrouds.

Permit #:	BLD2023-06034	Address:	1515 S Harbor Blvd 120
Issued:	12/8/2023	Contractor:
Census:	437 Additions, Alterations And Conversions - Nonresidential And Nonhousekeeping	Phone #:
Parcel #:	08219027	Type Of Work:	Tenant Improvement
Valuation:	$1,800,000.00	Description:	Dca - Turnstile #120 - Tenant Improvement: Remove Existing Turnstile And Gates And Install (24) New Automatic Guest Entry Gates, (2) Fixed Manual Gates And (10) Removable Railings. Install New Overhead Shrouds. Replace (2) Fabric Awnings.

Is the biggest change to entry experience at Disneyland we’ve seen incoming? When do we think this project would start?

Do we think Disneyland goes the Paris route?

Or the WDW route?

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Which one costs less money?

Only 3 at DCA?

 

[Disney Analyst]

Which one costs less money?

Only 3 at DCA?

Just edited my post, was missing the Disneyland permit itself.

DCA has two permits, I assume one may be for the Grand Cali entrance?

The main gate DCA permit is:

Valuation:

$1,800,000.00

Description:

Dca - Turnstile #120 - Tenant Improvement: Remove Existing Turnstile And Gates And Install (24) New Automatic Guest Entry Gates, (2) Fixed Manual Gates And (10) Removable Railings. Install New Overhead Shrouds. Replace (2) Fabric Awnings.

 

[mickEblu]

Just edited my post, was missing the Disneyland permit itself.

DCA has two permits, I assume one may be for the Grand Cali entrance?

The main gate DCA permit is:

Valuation:

$1,800,000.00

Description:

Dca - Turnstile #120 - Tenant Improvement: Remove Existing Turnstile And Gates And Install (24) New Automatic Guest Entry Gates, (2) Fixed Manual Gates And (10) Removable Railings. Install New Overhead Shrouds. Replace (2) Fabric Awnings.

Maybe I'll buy some Magic Bands after all. I saw the Magic Key ones on shop Disney the other day for $9.99. They cant give those away lol

 

[Ryan120420]

My guess they will look like the current Lightning Lane scanners.

The only significant change I think they will have is some sort of facial recognition built into the scanner or will be manned by a CM who will have to take and verify photos of guests.

 

[Phroobar]

My guess they will look like the current Lightning Lane scanners.

The only significant change I think they will have is some sort of facial recognition built into the scanner or will be manned by a CM who will have to take and verify photos of guests.

I would wear a mask too if I were made to wear that outfit for minimum wage.

It is almost as bad as this:

 

[PiratesMansion]

I suppose I can't be surprised by this, given the other parks.

WDW has had the tapstiles for a decade or so now. No chance that DLR goes for that exact approach, in part because it was tied to MB rollouts and because I don't envision them going the finger scan route.

During my first visit to Tokyo in 2010, they already had their turnstiles set up so that you simply inserted your ticket, with no CM direct interaction with your ticket required. In the last few years, they completely redid and replaced TDL's original turnstiles, and guests just scanned their tickets on the turnstiles.

Hadn't realized that Paris had updated their entry.

So it's probably about due. I think the last substantial change for DLR entry (besides moving the turnstiles for DCA 2.0 and some changes pre-DCA opening that I believe were largely aesthetic) took place in the eighties.

Hopefully they're able to do it in a way that will limit disruption. It wasn't fun entering TDL when half of the turnstiles were leveled, and so everyone was shunted into what was left.

Frankly I would prioritize security before the turnstiles, but I suppose it's time for a turnstile overhaul. I will miss the tangible turnstiles on the DL side.

Incidentally, does anyone know how many turnstiles the parks have now? It quotes 38 turnstiles for DL, which sounds to me like an increase vs. what's there now.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Frankly I would prioritize security before the turnstiles, but I suppose it's time for a turnstile overhaul. I will miss the tangible turnstiles on the DL side.

The rumour I keep hearing is the security union keeps standing in the way.

They needed a better system yesterday.

 

[D.Silentu]

You wouldn't happen to know their objections by chance?

 

[Disney Analyst]

You wouldn't happen to know their objections by chance?

I think not wanting technology that could reduce jobs?

 

[Consumer]

The rumour I keep hearing is the security union keeps standing in the way.

They needed a better system yesterday.

Unions are very important for the employees who benefit from them, but as a consumer who does not benefit from them I hate unions.

 

[Emmanuel]

The rumour I keep hearing is the security union keeps standing in the way.

They needed a better system yesterday.

They need to adopt what Universal Studios Hollywood has with the x-ray scanners. Last time I was at USH, I was through the checkpoint in 10 seconds although other times, they just asked me to open anyway to confirm I had a camera but even then its a quick look and go and still faster.

Knotts has those contactless scanners but because of what I carry, I end up going to the 2nd bag checks to be manually checked (if the scanners didn't go off, I would be able to head to the gate but my phone charger and cameras say otherwise).

So between the two I would love to see at Disneyalnds security checkpoint, it would be USHs approach.

 

[TP2000]

Unions are very important for the employees who benefit from them, but as a consumer who does not benefit from them I hate unions.

As a young man I was a dues-paying Teamster for several years. The stories I can tell about our Union shop stewards and Teamsters executives and their "ethics", all paid for by our dues money, would make your skin crawl.

It's no wonder their annual summer union retreat was always across the border in Canada; no chance of the shenanigans getting reported to the local police or media back home that way. Much less their wives.

As for redoing the Disneyland/DCA main entrance turnstiles... It's about time! Actually, it was about time around 2010. And certainly by 2015 with the pandemonium and gate closures related to the 60th celebration. But if they're finally getting around to it in 2024, I applaud TDA for actually wandering out of their offices and noticing their parks need a lot of help.

 

[shambolicdefending]

Assuming they toss the archaic turnstiles, count me in the "what took so long?" category.

I will have the same response when Anaheim finally gets modern AI scanners and ditches the old metal detectors and manual searches at security checkpoints.

 

[SuddenStorm]

As a young man I was a dues-paying Teamster for several years. The stories I can tell about our Union shop stewards and Teamsters executives and their "ethics", all paid for by our dues money, would make your skin crawl.

It's no wonder their annual summer union retreat was always across the border in Canada; no chance of the shenanigans getting reported to the local police or media back home that way. Much less their wives.

As for redoing the Disneyland/DCA main entrance turnstiles... It's about time! Actually, it was about time around 2010. And certainly by 2015 with the pandemonium and gate closures related to the 60th celebration. But if they're finally getting around to it in 2024, I applaud TDA for actually wandering out of their offices and noticing their parks need a lot of help.

Back during my brief stint at the Resort, I was a part of the foods union.

When we got signed up for the union, and whenever our union rep would start talking, the tone was very much 'we will protect you from Disney', as if Disney was some horrible company that was trying to exploit us.

It wasn't hey, we need to work with Disney to do a great job so we can negotiate higher pay and better benefits. It didn't seem like a partnership, it was an us vs. them.

 

[Figments Friend]

Great to hear this.

Looking forward to seeing what system to choose to go with, and how much smoother it will hopefully make the entrance experience for Guests.

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[Disney Analyst]

Anyone know, maybe @SSG - when a permit is issued, how long is it usually valid for, and when do we usually see work commence?

 

[SSG]

Anyone know, maybe @SSG - when a permit is issued, how long is it usually valid for, and when do we usually see work commence?

A permit is valid for a year from date of issue, so work could start anywhere from now until next January, but realistically, the permits are usually pulled as one of the final steps in the planning process. Barring complications, it shouldn't be too long.

EDIT: Some caveats:

A permit is good for a year, but that doesn't mean you have just a year to complete a project. You pay an additional fee and permits get extended. Galaxy's Edge, for example, had projects that took a couple of years to complete.

Just because Disney takes out a permit, that doesn't mean they will actually do the project. Disney may have every intention today of replacing the entry turnstiles, but plans change all the time and Disney could do nothing and let the permit lapse. Happens all the time.

 

[Rob562]

Maybe I'll buy some Magic Bands after all. I saw the Magic Key ones on shop Disney the other day for $9.99. They cant give those away lol

We bought super discounted Halloween Party MB+'s and then got decals from online to cover most of the design. (There's one bit near where they come together that still has a piece of candy showing) It actually got a "hey, that's nice, I haven't seen that design before" from an entrance CM.

-Rob

 

[mickEblu]

We bought super discounted Halloween Party MB+'s and then got decals from online to cover most of the design. (There's one bit near where they come together that still has a piece of candy showing) It actually got a "hey, that's nice, I haven't seen that design before" from an entrance CM.

-Rob

Haha. Was the design ugly or do you just not want to rock Halloween MB's all year?