Disneyland Resort in 2017: Marvel TOT retheme in DCA, Fantasmic! 2.0

[flynnibus]

They only seem to be successful in their predictions when the reveal is imminent. The further out the project the more outrageous (and wrong) their predictions seem to be. Take the TL to SW Land redo rumor in 2014 for instance, where they insisted the temporary closure of the Subs for renovations was actually a permanent cost savings measure.

not what they said... The conversation was the sub closure being artificially extended to save Ops dollars. Just like how all the parks are shifting hours and work right now to save money.

As for other stories.. usually they fall into the trap of failing to distinguish for their readers the difference between 'pitches being made' or concepts being vetted and developed... and actual green lit projects going into production. All ideas must be put together, pitched, concept developed, then further developed into actual plans, and then yet put into production. They usually fail to distinguish between concepts being developed and development actually committed to happen.

 

[yookeroo]

The subs closed for 'renovations', they sat there for months and did nothing as Disney decided whether they were going to pull the trigger on Star Wars in Tomorrowland.

According to MiceAge the subs were gone and Star Wars was just the excuse:
"the Star Wars announcement was supposed to give them the cover they needed to quietly close the 54 year old submarine attraction for a second time"

It was cost cutting needed because of the "failure" of MyMagic+. Yeah, they were hilariously wrong.

 

[BrianLo]

No it wasn't. In my opinion that whole episode is one of the best examples of MiceAge publishing a wild rumor that turned out to be false and not owning up to it.

Star Wars overtaking 14 acres of backstage and reworking ROA and the railroad is a wild rumor. Star Wars overtaking known problem attractions like the subs, autotopia and innoventions in a bid to fix up tomorrowland is certainly less wild.

Mice Age were not the only ones to report this. What exactly do you think were these rejected plans if not the ones they and all our insiders on this board were reporting at the time?

Why did the subs close for months and months, while they did no work?

They've reported on nearly all major happenings first and with more detail than any other source. I just can't imagine they would do that and yet completely fabricate the other half.

Like @flynnibus said maybe they need to address how things have changed, but I disagree that they need to apologize for it.

 

[yookeroo]

Star Wars overtaking 14 acres of backstage and reworking ROA and the railroad is a wild rumor.

Not really. It's kind of happening.

Star Wars overtaking known problem attractions like the subs, autotopia and innoventions in a bid to fix up tomorrowland is certainly less wild.

That's not what MiceAge said. Closing the subs was cost cutting. They didn't report Autopia closing for Star Wars Land.

 

[BrianLo]

Not really. It's kind of happening.

That's the point...

That was certainly not the plan from the very beginning. It morphed many times to become what many feel is ridiculous.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

I don't why it's so hard to believe that Disney's first plan for Star Wars was to essentially overlay Tomorrowland and wipe out subs/autopia for a coaster. That REEKS of current Disney philosophy. And I also happen to know first hand that it WAS the plan at that time. As @BrianLo described, the board wisely thought better of it and made Bob/Tom/WDI come up with something bigger. @WDW1974 accurately reported the SWL site moving to Toontown, and eventually the land got too big for that plot and ended up where it is being built now.

Do people really think Disney comes up with one plan and that's it? It never develops or changes?

 

[Phroobar]

I like the part when they said the rocket jets where being relocated on top of the Captain EO theater. Construction was to begin in a few weeks of the article.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I don't why it's so hard to believe that Disney's first plan for Star Wars was to essentially overlay Tomorrowland and wipe out subs/autopia for a coaster.

No one is saying it wasn't. What I'm saying is what MiceAge reported was incorrect. There's a difference.

Please read the article, and the comments from several readers following, and I'm pretty sure you'll agree that their report, particularly the timing of the project and the Sub's closure, was flat out wrong.

http://micechat.com/53779-disneyland-update/

"TDA executives, knowing Star Wars Land is the wild card even Burbank can’t pin down now, have also cooked up a timeline that has the submarines closed until the spring of 2015 and reopened as part of the nostalgia themed 60th anniversary. The subs would then close again in 2016 when the speeder bike ride begins major construction on the roof of the submarine caverns. But, again, that’s only if the Star Wars project continues to be delayed."

Yeah, right.

I like the part when they said the rocket jets where being relocated on top of the Captain EO theater. Construction was to begin in a few weeks of the article.

LOL! I'm going to start making predictions here based on my mysterious "insider sources", insist that they are factual even when the CEO denies them, and then claim that Disney changed direction when my story fails to materialize.

I like MiceAge, and I appreciate their interesting, albeit absurd, rumors, but there is no substantial reason to take their long range forecasts with anything more than a huge grain of salt. To me it's kind of silly to get all worked up over their DCA Marvel story at this point.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I don't see why it would be hard for someone to believe Disney originally had plans to put SWL in Tomorrowland, given the fact a Star Wars-themed attraction has existed there since the 80's.

 

[BrianLo]

No one is saying it wasn't. What I'm saying is what MiceAge reported was incorrect. There's a difference.

Please read the article, and the comments from several readers following, and I'm pretty sure you'll agree that their report, particularly the timing of the project and the Sub's closure, was flat out wrong.

http://micechat.com/53779-disneyland-update/

"TDA executives, knowing Star Wars Land is the wild card even Burbank can’t pin down now, have also cooked up a timeline that has the submarines closed until the spring of 2015 and reopened as part of the nostalgia themed 60th anniversary. The subs would then close again in 2016 when the speeder bike ride begins major construction on the roof of the submarine caverns. But, again, that’s only if the Star Wars project continues to be delayed."

Yeah, right.



LOL! I'm going to start making predictions here based on my mysterious "insider sources", insist that they are factual even when the CEO denies them, and then claim that Disney changed direction when my story fails to materialize.

I like MiceAge, and I appreciate their interesting, albeit absurd, rumors, but there is no substantial reason to take their long range forecasts with anything more than a huge grain of salt. To me it's kind of silly to get all worked up over their DCA Marvel story at this point.

You've lost me. What Mice Age reported there WAS the plan for the subs when Star Wars was to take over tomorrow land. Then it moved and they stayed. Where else do you think they were building it?

Do we have to keep repeating over and over that it is only wrong now because the plans changed?

Now it's totally different to say 'Disney has a track record of majorly shifting course several times during the creative process. So I won't get too worked up about Marvel until we are closer to construction and things firm up'. Thats a point I would agree with and make myself. Not this silly back and forth about everything that didn't pan out must have been completely fabricated.

 

[BrianLo]

I don't see why it would be hard for someone to believe Disney originally had plans to put SWL in Tomorrowland, given the fact a Star Wars-themed attraction has existed there since the 80's.

I felt bad that there were a recent string of different topics we stoically had differing opinions of. Glad I can be with you on this one so you don't think I'm a complete loon.

 

[Mike S]

Insiders here said SWL in DHS would be at the front of the park and expand into the parking lot. Plans changed and now it's at the back. Doesn't mean they were wrong.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I felt bad that there were a recent string of different topics we stoically had differing opinions of. Glad I can be with you on this one so you don't think I'm a complete loon.

It wouldn't be fun unless there was at least a little disagreement! We disagree a lot, but I still respect you and enjoy your posts, and would consider you a great person to hit up the parks with. And you're definitely not a loon!

 

[Deleted member 107043]

You've lost me. What Mice Age reported there WAS the plan for the subs when Star Wars was to take over tomorrow land.

How are you lost? It was obviously not the plan for SW at that time, and here's why:

MiceAge gave specific details in an article that was speculative and/or based on bad information as evidenced by the fact that they continued to deny the Subs were returning even when there was evidence that they weren't being mothballed. When Disneyland closed the ride in January 2014 it stated that it would reopen later that year after a refurbishment. Several fans called shenanigans on MiceAge at the time including one MA poster, The Seadog, who wrote:

"WOW...did you miss the mark on Nemo!! sorry to tell you but everything you said about the Nemo project is incorrect...in fact a lot of the REHAB as already started in the caverns....projector updates and replacements....corrosion mitigation....track replacement.....close to 10 million dollars already earmarked and contracts going into place for cleaning, redecorating, track and track switch repair as well as substantial work on the subs engine rooms, and power systems. Nemo will be swimming again in September."

At the company meeting that March Iger addressed the issue and stated that the Subs were indeed returning as planned and that there were plans for Star Wars that would be forthcoming.

MiceAge reported misinformation, period. Just admit it.

 

[Curious Constance]

I remember Miceage going on and on about how the subs were just sitting there and idle for cost savings, but later it was reported (by someone else) that during that time there was work going on inside the show building that wasn't visible.

 

[BrianLo]

they continued to deny the Subs were returning even when there was evidence that they weren't being mothballed.

I'm lost because I just read that article again. They specifically mentioned it was all pending the decision on Star Wars, which the article highlighted ad naseum was up in the air. I don't understand where you are getting they are 'denying' the subs would be back from that article.

They even highlighted the scenario that if they couldn't make up their mind they'd return with a mad rush of refurbishment done in the 11th hour. That's exactly what happened. No where did they deny they'd come back, in fact the article seems to speculate they probably would be back for the 60th in light of the indecision over Star Wars.

Neither Disney or Mice Age realized at the time plan C would occur, the board would say no and they went back to the drawing board completely.

If you want to nit pick anything, it's the premature call that the tomorrowland retheme was green lit.

People have seen the blue prints. There was no magical scenario where the subs survived IF the plan went through for tomorrowland.

I'd accept they were operating on perhaps outdated info at the time (hard to determine), but it was never false or made up.

 

[flynnibus]

No one is saying it wasn't. What I'm saying is what MiceAge reported was incorrect. There's a difference.

Trust me... I'm one of their more vocal critics... but you're just being obtuse here and holding onto a thread. You don't even have a way of gauging if they were correct about activity at the time... so your hypocrisy is comical.

 

[flynnibus]

I remember Miceage going on and on about how the subs were just sitting there and idle for cost savings, but later it was reported (by someone else) that during that time there was work going on inside the show building that wasn't visible.

Just because someone posted it on the forums didn't make them credible. A topic you should be familiar with...

 

[Deleted member 107043]

you're just being obtuse here and holding onto a thread.

Yet YOU won't let it go.

I'll stop talking about it. Problem solved.

 

[flynnibus]

Yet YOU won't let it go.

I'll stop talking about it. Problem solved.

buhahaha... its something you brought up and then scold other people as 'not letting it go'? You are quite a piece of work. I thought you really had to work hard to keep up your act you've played since you've joined, but this is hysterical.

(and yet.. didn't address the point either.. so typical)

I'll stop talking about it. Problem solved.

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