George Lucas on a Bench
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Are you...questioning CNN???
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Disneyland officially reopening April 30th
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ToTBellHop
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I used to love CNN. It’s all clickbait now.
Still want a MagicWall, but for movie screening. “If we could just focus in on this part of Scarlett Johansson for the 12th time this hour...”
Disney Irish
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I see your math and see your logic, I just think its low. I'm a bit more optimistic on the numbers based on where we are today. We're already at 39.2% of 18 and older getting the first shot as of yesterday, with 22.4% of those having gotten the second shot. And that has been with limited supply. In the next couple of weeks those will all have been fully vaccinated. My guess is we'll be close to 50% of adults fully vaccinated by end of April now that supply and eligibility has opened up. We'll see how things turn out, but my guess is we'll be at well over that 55% guess of yours by July.
Anyways, thanks hopefully it'll go smoothly.
True. It is actually most recently polled in a few surveys that it is estimated less than 17 percent now are still going to go with not getting the Vaccine. That is far lower percentage denying the opportunity than common annuals like the Flue Vaccine. I am optimistic about the future.
ToTBellHop
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Let’s hope!
Everyone over 16 is allowed to get a vaccine on April 15th in California. But there’s no assurance that you still won’t get the virus or pass it in so everyone must wear a mask. I suspect better vaccines are on the way that is a more traditional virus vaccine where they use an actual dead virus to inoculate. The vaccine will be a yearly requirement like the flu shot.
ToTBellHop
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These vaccines are far better than traditional vaccines. A traditional flu vaccine may be 50% effective. Pfizer and Moderna are over 90% effective and better than most vaccines at preventing disease and spread. The only vaccine that is better is polio.
The real reason we are keeping masks is because it is too confusing for some to have only some without masks and some unscrupulous people would lie and say they are vaccinated when they’re not.
Darkbeer1
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>>We are much closer to protective immunity than some public-health officials acknowledge—or perhaps want to acknowledge. Precisely how close is impossible to tell, in part because officials have recommended getting the vaccine regardless of prior immunity and haven’t kept track of whether people receiving the vaccine already had a documented infection or presence of antibodies conferring probable natural immunity. They also are administering second doses rather than maximizing the number of people vaccinated, despite the data showing the efficacy of a single dose and the U.K.’s impressive success with the delayed-booster approach.
A final factor is the supply of vaccines. In addition to protecting the vulnerable, universal masking salves the fears of those who are at risk of infection. Once vaccines are plentiful enough that any adult who wants one can easily get it, the calculus changes. If you’re unable to get vaccinated, it’s reasonable to expect others to accept infringements on their freedom as a precaution. Not if you refuse to get vaccinated.
Public-health officials and politicians risk a public rebellion if they don’t start taking common sense into account and instead persist in labeling anyone who questions their decrees “antiscience.” After more than a year of restrictions, they should prioritize getting back to normal. That means public-health agencies need to generate accurate benchmarks of progress—including natural immunity as well as vaccinations—and to be open to modifying their approach, including by relaxing restrictions that have proved ineffective or outlived their usefulness.
Universal masking isn’t in that category yet, but it will be soon. I believe it will probably be safe to end mask mandates by the end of April, but Memorial Day weekend is a more realistic target. Until then, even if you’ve been vaccinated, you’ll have to wear a mask when you’re indoors in public.<<
www.wsj.com
A final factor is the supply of vaccines. In addition to protecting the vulnerable, universal masking salves the fears of those who are at risk of infection. Once vaccines are plentiful enough that any adult who wants one can easily get it, the calculus changes. If you’re unable to get vaccinated, it’s reasonable to expect others to accept infringements on their freedom as a precaution. Not if you refuse to get vaccinated.
Public-health officials and politicians risk a public rebellion if they don’t start taking common sense into account and instead persist in labeling anyone who questions their decrees “antiscience.” After more than a year of restrictions, they should prioritize getting back to normal. That means public-health agencies need to generate accurate benchmarks of progress—including natural immunity as well as vaccinations—and to be open to modifying their approach, including by relaxing restrictions that have proved ineffective or outlived their usefulness.
Universal masking isn’t in that category yet, but it will be soon. I believe it will probably be safe to end mask mandates by the end of April, but Memorial Day weekend is a more realistic target. Until then, even if you’ve been vaccinated, you’ll have to wear a mask when you’re indoors in public.<<
Opinion | Dr. Fauci, Tear Off These Masks
If the epidemic continues on its current course, it will be safe to uncover your face by Memorial Day.
www.wsj.com
ToTBellHop
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I’ve been saying this awhile. I think Memorial Day may be too soon, but if all states are making vaccine available to all at-risk groups by May 1, I should think we can assume anyone who wants full immunity will have it by 7/1. Mask mandates are by-state, however. My state opened up vaccine to 16+ on Friday (Connecticut) and the Governor said he’d consider dramatically curtailing restrictions in 6 weeks, which seems reasonable to me.>>We are much closer to protective immunity than some public-health officials acknowledge—or perhaps want to acknowledge. Precisely how close is impossible to tell, in part because officials have recommended getting the vaccine regardless of prior immunity and haven’t kept track of whether people receiving the vaccine already had a documented infection or presence of antibodies conferring probable natural immunity. They also are administering second doses rather than maximizing the number of people vaccinated, despite the data showing the efficacy of a single dose and the U.K.’s impressive success with the delayed-booster approach.
A final factor is the supply of vaccines. In addition to protecting the vulnerable, universal masking salves the fears of those who are at risk of infection. Once vaccines are plentiful enough that any adult who wants one can easily get it, the calculus changes. If you’re unable to get vaccinated, it’s reasonable to expect others to accept infringements on their freedom as a precaution. Not if you refuse to get vaccinated.
Public-health officials and politicians risk a public rebellion if they don’t start taking common sense into account and instead persist in labeling anyone who questions their decrees “antiscience.” After more than a year of restrictions, they should prioritize getting back to normal. That means public-health agencies need to generate accurate benchmarks of progress—including natural immunity as well as vaccinations—and to be open to modifying their approach, including by relaxing restrictions that have proved ineffective or outlived their usefulness.
Universal masking isn’t in that category yet, but it will be soon. I believe it will probably be safe to end mask mandates by the end of April, but Memorial Day weekend is a more realistic target. Until then, even if you’ve been vaccinated, you’ll have to wear a mask when you’re indoors in public.<<
Opinion | Dr. Fauci, Tear Off These Masks
If the epidemic continues on its current course, it will be safe to uncover your face by Memorial Day.
Fauci actually mentioned removing mask mandates for the vaccinated soon.
Californian Elitist
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I wouldn’t be surprised if masks were required at least for the rest of the year.
Darkbeer1
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My guess, as soon as the CDC states they are no longer needed, maybe this summer if things keep going in the correct manner.
ToTBellHop
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4 weeks after Universal.
If Disney decided tomorrow that they no longer were going to have one at a corporate level they would still need to enforce California’s.
mickEblu
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I’m assuming Disney will enforce masks longer than the State does. See WDW
Darkbeer1
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If the CDC says they are not needed, I see Disney following that guidance.
If California is not following the guidance, I see WDW without a mask requirement, and DLR following the state rules, since they will have no choice.
ToTBellHop
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Yes, the CDC is rather conservative with removing restrictions. As long as any government body (federal, CDC, or state) say masks are required, they will to avoid lawsuits. But I can’t see any reason why they’d mandate masks if no government agency says they should. However, the CDC loves being noncommittal. “If you’ve been vaccinated, you can travel at low risk but we still recommend you not travel.” What nonsense.
I imagine initial CDC guidance will go from masks AND social distancing indoors to masks OR social distancing indoors and Disney will choose masks.
ToTBellHop
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Ditching masks outdoors would go a long way for me. I can tolerate one in an air-conditioned building better than summer sunshine.
Darkbeer1
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I can see that. So no masks needed outdoors, allowing water parks and pools to reopen, along with all other outdoor spaces being mask optional, with an indoor requirement, except when you are in your own room or eating/drinking.