unkadug
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Well, there is the word "Fantasy" in the name.
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Disneyland Offers Sneak Peak at WDW's Fairytale Hall?
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Californian Elitist
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Thanks for that, I remember hearing about that film.
I'm not talking about being historically accurate I'm talking about being ethnically accurate. Mulan, who is Chinese, doesn't thematically fit in a European-themed mini land. Pocahontas, who is Native American, doesn't fit into a European-themed mini land. Jasmine, who is Arabian/Middle-Eastern, doesn't fit into a European-themed mini land.
Californian Elitist
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By that logic, any character will thematically fit in Fantasyland because it's all a fantasy and make believe. Fantasyland, Disneyland's Fantasyland, has a theme, and that theme is not anyone who is a character of fiction or anything that's make believe.
DisneyGuyNYC
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Well that's the fantasy. I don't think anyone is going to be upset if Jasmine is in the Princess Hall.
Californian Elitist
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I'm not referring to MK, I'm referring to DL. Just because it's make believe doesn't mean it belongs. Read post #43.
Pixiedustmaker
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Uh, Frozen, coming out this year in the fall.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_(2013_film)
Voiced by Kristen Bell
The idea of PFF, and PFH, is that the princesses *meet* for a gathering. Obviously, the castle in Disneyland is home to Aurora, but that doesn't mean she can't invite some of her friends over.
I get what you're saying, but given that they are all princesses, I don't think they look out of place if they all decide to meet somewhere.
New Orleans Square is meant to be realistic, they bent the rules and decided to let Tiana setup shop there.
For a lot of these princesses there is no perfect place for a meet and greet.
Pixiedustmaker
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Last time I checked, Storybook Land Canal boats had Agrabah in the middle of it (maybe too big), and hence Jasmine has a claim to Fantasyland being her home land. They do Chinese new year stuff in Fantasyland, and hence Mulan has a claim to Fantasyland, Merida has been setting up shop near Small World. Pocahontas also comes from the long line of Disney princesses in animated features, I think she could fit in Frontierland or Fantasyland.
Californian Elitist
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Uh, Frozen, coming out this year in the fall.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_(2013_film)
Voiced by Kristen Bell
The idea of PFF, and PFH, is that the princesses *meet* for a gathering. Obviously, the castle in Disneyland is home to Aurora, but that doesn't mean she can't invite some of her friends over.
I get what you're saying, but given that they are all princesses, I don't think they look out of place if they all decide to meet somewhere.
New Orleans Square is meant to be realistic, they bent the rules and decided to let Tiana setup shop there.
For a lot of these princesses there is no perfect place for a meet and greet.
Well they do in Disneyland's opinion.
Click on the link and scroll down to about mid-way.
http://micechat.com/23537-fantasy-faire-opens/
DisneyGuyNYC
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He or she said "I" not "they."
Californian Elitist
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Story Book. Any story of fantasy goes in that ride. Totally different when it comes to meeting a princess. Have you ever seen Jasmine in Fantasyland? The answer should be no because she's never there. The reason why Merida was by small world, as well as all of the other princesses, was because they were building PFF and the theater is now being prepared for a show we've been robbed of since the princesses started meeting there.
Again, just because they're fantasy princess doesn't mean they belong in Fantasyland. There's a reason why you see Pocahontas in Frontierland and never walking around Fantasyland. Jasmine- Never walking around in Fantasyland, but it always in Adventureland. If all the princesses thematically fit in Fantasyland, why aren't they all there? Why do they meet in other places?
Californian Elitist
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And? What's your point? I understand it was his own opinion. I was giving him Disneyland's opinion.
spacemt354
Chili's
But why not? Isn't the word "fantasy" in Fantasyland?
I feel like all the princesses fit into the over arching theme of "Fantasy" and are therefore allowed to be seen in Fantasyland. Doesn't mean they all are at the same time, but that's because other lands such as Adventureland and Frontierland fit their respective stories better thematically. Same reason why in Epcot you see Belle in France, or Snow White in Germany, or Mulan in China. But they aren't in those areas because they are forced to remain there due to the fact that their stories don't fit the theme of fantasy.
Obviously we will have to wait and see, but from the looks of things PFH seems to be a place where all the princesses come together, regardless of background or cultural identity. What matters is the "princess" theme, which despite cultural differences, Mulan, Tiana, Belle, etc all fit together. In the concept art you can see Mulan and Tiana on the walls. And in the BBB, little girls can dress up as any princess. You don't have to go to a certain area in the park to dress up as Jasmine and such. It's all done in Fantasyland in the castle, because princess and fantasy go hand and hand. Yes princesses fit better in their respective backgrounds, but if areas are built where the theme is princesses in a land that's dedicated to fantasy, I don't see an issue.
Also you said Story Book is a ride, so any type of fantasy goes. Well technically, PFH is an attraction in Fantasyland based around princesses, so why can't any type of fantasy princess fit there?
Californian Elitist
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No, no, no, no, no...
I'm not referring to MK's PFH, which is building with a crown on top. Yes, all princesses could meet there. I'm referring to PFF at Disneyland, which is a European-themed village, an obvious theme and look for the princesses that will be meeting there. It's not the same. It's just not.
Again, if it doesn't matter, then all the princesses will be seen in PFF (remember, I'm not talking about PFH, which is different). But they're not. They will be seen according to their different backgrounds. This could change, sure. But it's not like it doesn't make sense for these princesses to be seen according to their ethnic backgrounds. That's the point I'm trying to make. Yes, the princesses are of fantasy theme, but that doesn't mean they should all be together.
Story Book is an exception, as well as small world, which is where the Chinese festivities occur, away from the European themed facades.
I'm beating a dead horse. If I were talking to fellow Disneylanders, they'd understand, because it's been this way for a long time. Jasmine, Tiana, Pocahontas, etc. are princesses, but you won't find them in Disneyland's Fantasyland. It's been that way for a very long time. I don't feel like repeating myself again and again.
spacemt354
Chili's
If it is themed specifically for the princesses that will be meeting there, then why is Ariel there? She hardly fits in a European village and renaissance theme to me. She fits much better in her own grotto like in wdw.
And in the case of PFF vs PFH, I honestly don't know enough about them to make a distinction. PFF seems like a little well themed area for the princesses. And to me, PFH seems like the same thing, except indoors, and in a "hall" The only distinction I can make is that there are might be more princesses at PFH based on the portraits in the concept art.
Other than that, the two seem like they are accomplishing the same goal to me. Have people meet several princesses, whoever they may be, in a central, well themed location.
Californian Elitist
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Good question, and one I cannot answer. I've heard Ariel somehow fits the description, but I'm not sure about that. I think the story of Mermaid is of European background. All the others who don't fit won't be there.
flynnibus
Premium Member
except for that looming mountain...
its a small world...
casey jr...
mr toad..
the motorboats..
etc
Fantasyland is really just the DL 'tales' area.. not strictly the european village motif it shows.
Californian Elitist
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The Matterhorn is a European mountain and Toad is set in England.
I know there are exceptions (I said there were earlier) but the overall and general theme of Fantasyland is a Bavarian village. Small world is the biggest exception, I would say.
Pixiedustmaker
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But Merida hailed from Scotland, so why are they putting her in Rapunzel's old digs? She doesn't really fit in a Bavarian village.
And where would Mulan go if not Fantasyland? Maybe they can put her in Adventureland!? Not sure how popular Mulan is, but I would rank the princess popularity as, starting with the most popular:
1. Belle
2. Sleeping Beauty (Might go to number one when Maleficent comes out).
3. Ariel
4. Rapunzel
5. Jasmine
6. Cinderella
7. Merida
8. Tiana
9. Snow White
10. Pocahontas
11. Mulan
I've been to Ariel Grotto several times, and I've never seen Mulan.
Where will Princess Ana and Princess Elsa fit? My guess is near the top.
Californian Elitist
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The style of Brave/Merida works fine in Fantasyland. Much better than Mulan, I can tell you that.
Again, I don't know where Mulan is going, and I know certainly it won't be Adventureland. If she meets in Fantasyland, it likely won't be PFF. Mulan being seen in an area like in the picture below just doesn't make sense. That's my whole point. Some princesses don't thematically fit in PFF.
http://micechat.com/23537-fantasy-faire-opens/
GiveMeTheMusic
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Before Princess Fantasy Faire invaded the Fantasyland Theater, all princesses had individual greets at DL. Belle, Cinderella, Aurora and Snow White all met in various areas in front of the Castle. Ariel had her shell (now Pixie Hollow). Jasmine was in Adventureland with her man, and Mulan roamed Fantasyland and Hollywood at DCA freely. It would not surprise me if Mulan returned to either location, as she is rarely a big enough deal to create huge lines.
The new Fantasy Faire does not have room for outdoor character greets - the square area is simply not that large. If Mulan does Fantasyland sets, it will be behind the Castle.
The new Fantasy Faire does not have room for outdoor character greets - the square area is simply not that large. If Mulan does Fantasyland sets, it will be behind the Castle.