News Disneyland modifies mask policy - UPDATE 7/28/21

[TP2000]

Most of the people in Oregon are laughing at this. If you're in Portland or maybe Salem then you might see some enforcement, but almost the entire rest of the state is very spread out and knows there will be no enforcement. Kate Brown is extremely out of touch with most Oregonians and they don't care what she says.

I have family in Clackamas County. Three of whom were down here visiting last week. They don't follow Kate's rules at all there.

But I know in hipster Portland the kids love to virtue signal whenever they get the chance. I'm sure they're triple-masked now.

It is very interesting to see California's neighbor go in a very different direction than California. Sacramento seems too scared to do anything until after September 14th. Because... Science?

 

[Tamandua]

I have family in Clackamas County. Three of whom were down here visiting last week. They don't follow the rules at all there.

But I know in hipster Portland the kids love to virtue signal whenever they get the chance. I'm sure they're triple-masked now.

I have family up there as well. The fact that Oregon is implementing policy at a statewide level when the problems are concentrated in a few (mainly one) areas shows how incompetent leadership is up there.

The lack of statewide policy here after 15 months of constant emergency orders is... suspicious. But we all know what's coming September 15th.

 

[Disney Irish]

The latest from the West Coast on masks, or lack thereof.

California still has no statewide mask mandate. Sacramento has gone completely hands off on any statewide Covid direction, in advance of that little thing happening on September 14th.

Orange County (Population 3.1 Million, Disneyland, Knott's Berry Farm) still has no mask mandate. San Diego County (Population 3.3. Million, Sea World, Legoland, San Diego Zoo) still has no mask mandate. Los Angeles County (Population 10.1 Million, Universal Studios, Magic Mountain) implemented an indoor mask mandate, but exempted theme parks from it's mandate on entertainment with more than 1,000 people in attendance.

Meanwhile, up in Oregon (Population 4.2 Million, over half in Portland), they are bringing back the statewide mask mandate on all outdoor activities after already bringing back the statewide indoor mask mandate. Don't even ask where that old Western States Pact is that the three West Coast governors bragged about back in 2020. It lasted about as long as a cheap smoke bomb in a downtown Portland riot.

Oregon = #46 727 Deaths Per 1 Million, #12 57.5% Fully Vaccinated
California = #33 1,651 Deaths Per 1 Million, #16 55.1% Fully Vaccinated

Oregon to require masks at outdoor public settings starting Friday

Gov. Kate Brown announced Tuesday that adults and children who are at least 5 years old must wear masks in most public outdoor settings starting Friday.

www.oregonlive.com

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics

www.realclearpolitics.com

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

Western States Pact - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

OC is moving in the direction of re-instituting an indoor mask mandate as its Performing Arts Venues will start requiring proof of vaccinations as well as masks indoors:

Orange County performing arts venues announce mandatory COVID-19 vaccination and mask requirements

Segerstrom Center for the Arts, Irvine Barclay Theatre, South Coast Repertory will require proof of vaccination and enforce mask-wearing for upcoming performances.

www.ocregister.com

In addition Ventura County also just re-instituted its indoor mask mandate:

Indoor Mask Mandate Back In Effect Throughout Ventura County

As of Monday, businesses and other public facilities throughout the county must comply with the reimposed mask mandate, which is scheduled to remain in effect until at least Sept. 19. Ventura County Public Health's updated health order went into effect this weekend.

losangeles.cbslocal.com

As of the middle of August over 50% of the California population live in a county with a re-instituted indoor mask mandate. The reason why a statewide indoor mask mandate hasn't been re-activated is because a majority of California counties where the population lives already has one in place.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

According to the report, the vaccines still work very well in preventing severe cases, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness.

This is the truly important part though… I really don’t care if I get Covid as long as I don’t end up hospitalized or dead. Isn’t that the point of all vaccinations? To survive a deadly disease?

 

[Tamandua]

This is the truly important part though… I really don’t care if I get Covid as long as I don’t end up hospitalized or dead. Isn’t that the point of all vaccinations? To survive a deadly disease?

I've always said take the vaccine if you want it. Requiring people to take it to keep their job or to go out in public when it does nothing to prevent the virus from spreading to others? That's very, very wrong.

There's a few other things to consider as well. Viral varients are always more transmissable but less deadly, so we don't really know how much the decline in serious illness/death is from the vaccine and how much is just from the virus being weaker.

The other thing that's really shady is that when they give statistics for people who died with or without the vaccine, they count everyone who died before vaccines were available as "unvaccinated," so of course the numbers are extremely lopsided because they're counting deaths in vaccinated people from less than half the time as unvaccinated people, and during periods of different levels of spread/cases.

I'm tired of all the covid dishonesty.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I really don’t care if I get Covid as long as I don’t end up hospitalized or dead.

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or if you actually mean it. If you meant this, have you previously had COVID before?

 

[el_super]

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or if you actually mean it. If you meant this, have you previously had COVID before?

Or even just Bronchitis or Pneumonia? Not being able to breathe for a couple weeks, is pretty rough, even if you don't end up in the hospital.

 

[el_super]

I've always said take the vaccine if you want it. Requiring people to take it to keep their job or to go out in public when it does nothing to prevent the virus from spreading to others? That's very, very wrong.

The alternative to this would be to deny healthcare to people who refuse to get vaccinated. Society has a need to protect our health care resources.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I've always said take the vaccine if you want it. Requiring people to take it to keep their job or to go out in public when it does nothing to prevent the virus from spreading to others? That's very, very wrong.

The vaccine does a lot more than nothing. No vaccine is absolutely foolproof. No vaccine stops a virus from entering the body. Is it very very wrong that we don’t have polio in this country?

There's a few other things to consider as well. Viral varients are always more transmissable but less deadly, so we don't really know how much the decline in serious illness/death is from the vaccine and how much is just from the virus being weaker.

This is not true. Absolutely nothing stops a virus from becoming more transmissible and more deadly.

The other thing that's really shady is that when they give statistics for people who died with or without the vaccine, they count everyone who died before vaccines were available as "unvaccinated," so of course the numbers are extremely lopsided because they're counting deaths in vaccinated people from less than half the time as unvaccinated people, and during periods of different levels of spread/cases.

Those people were unvaccinated. Even now those you can look at data in certain chunks of time including recent reports.

I'm tired of all the covid dishonesty.

Then why continue to spread so much of it?

 

[Tamandua]

The vaccine does a lot more than nothing. No vaccine is absolutely foolproof. No vaccine stops a virus from entering the body. Is it very very wrong that we don’t have polio in this country?

This is not true. Absolutely nothing stops a virus from becoming more transmissible and more deadly.

Those people were unvaccinated. Even now those you can look at data in certain chunks of time including recent reports.

Then why continue to spread so much of it?

Do you understand how viruses evolve?

You're clearly in denial. Look at Israel. The country is almost entirely vaccinated and yet they're more or less at their pre-vaccine case levels, with vaccine efficacy rates under 40%!

Has the vaccine prevented people from getting covid in Israel? It sure doesn't look like it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Do you understand how viruses evolve?

You're clearly in denial. Look at Israel. The country is almost entirely vaccinated and yet they're more or less at their pre-vaccine case levels, with vaccine efficacy rates under 40%!

Has the vaccine prevented people from getting covid in Israel? It sure doesn't look like it.

Viruses evolve randomly. It is not along any consistent or determined path. Absolutely nothing stops it from evolving into something worse. There wouldn’t be worse flu seasons if viruses always evolved into something less lethal.

Israel still has plenty of unvaccinated people who, like here, also ignore other mitigations. The less than 40% efficacy (which conflicts with data from other places) is not for severe illness and hospitalization, which remain incredibly high.

 

[Stevek]

This is the truly important part though… I really don’t care if I get Covid as long as I don’t end up hospitalized or dead. Isn’t that the point of all vaccinations? To survive a deadly disease?

Trust me, as someone who has seen several folks get covid and not be hospitalized, you absolutely care if you get covid. It's not always some walk in the park and just because you don't get hospitalized doesn't mean you won't have long term effects from it.

 

[aliceismad]

This is the truly important part though… I really don’t care if I get Covid as long as I don’t end up hospitalized or dead. Isn’t that the point of all vaccinations? To survive a deadly disease?

Um there are also a lot of long-term implications for covid. I know multiple people whose lungs are screwed up because they had mild covid cases.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Trust me, as someone who has seen several folks get covid and not be hospitalized, you absolutely care if you get covid. It's not always some walk in the park and just because you don't get hospitalized doesn't mean you won't have long term effects from it.

This is exactly what I was getting at with my response. I’ve had COVID and didn’t need hospitalization, but I was still miserable. The body aches were awful, but the worst was losing my sense of taste and smell. Not being able to taste food is not fun, to put it lightly. Some people who’ve recovered from COVID STILL can’t taste anything. Months later and nothing. Others are still experiencing breathing issues and other long-term effects.

Additionally, one should care if they catch it because it can be passed on, even if one’s symptoms are light. A friend of mine’s co-worker currently has COVID. Her symptoms are mild, but she gave it to her teenage son, who unfortunately passed away last week. Very tragic.

No one should be nonchalant about this.

 

[SoCalMort]

A toxic stew of anti-Asian racism, anti-vaccine vitriol roils Orange County

People in Little Saigon are anxious and angry after Board of Supervisors Chairman Andrew Do was called a 'communist parasite' and told to 'go back to Vietnam.'

www.latimes.com

 

[SoCalMort]

 

[SSG]

I expect more businesses to do this:

Delta will hike insurance premiums and limit sick pay for unvaccinated employees​

Delta will hike insurance premiums and limit sick pay for unvaccinated employees | CNN Business

Delta Air Lines is raising health care costs for employees who insist on staying unvaccinated.

www.cnn.com

 

[DavidNoble]

I expect more businesses to do this:

Delta will hike insurance premiums and limit sick pay for unvaccinated employees​

Delta will hike insurance premiums and limit sick pay for unvaccinated employees | CNN Business

Delta Air Lines is raising health care costs for employees who insist on staying unvaccinated.

www.cnn.com

100%. Didn't the same thing apply to cigarette smokers?

 

[aliceismad]

I expect more businesses to do this:

Delta will hike insurance premiums and limit sick pay for unvaccinated employees​

I worked for a company once that required physicals and blood tests. Your cost of insurance depended directly on the results. In many ways, I felt that was unfair because you can't help your genes. But if you choose not to get preventative care, perhaps that is a different story.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or if you actually mean it. If you meant this, have you previously had COVID before?

Honestly I have no idea if I’ve had it, I did get the vaccine though and I follow the CDC guidelines… that’s all I can do at this point.

Over the last 2 years I’ve been sick multiple times with headaches, sore throat, runny nose, cough, etc… in January 2020 half our staff was out with the worst “flu” to ever hit us, we didn’t know about Covid then but we all wonder if that’s what got us. Illness comes with my job, the only difference now is it’s very easy to get the day off for even the most minor illness because of the worry it could be covid. In a day or two I feel better and I’m back to work though. Working in a casino typically leads to a strong immune system.

I’ve taken the precautions available to me, now I’m back to living my life. I work in a casino, I’ve been exposed to tens of thousands of people (perhaps a hundred thousand) in the last 6 months, including dozens of coworkers who’ve missed work for symptoms and nearly a dozen who have actually tested positive for covid, I have no choice but to have faith in the vaccines and my immune system because my job requires me to be around hundreds of people every single day.

And yes, my only concern with Covid is not being hospitalized, having long term affects, or dying. With as many people as I come into contact with every day I just assume I’m exposed to Covid every single day. If I was worried about simply catching it I’d never be able to leave my house again.