Californian Elitist
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Got my mask handy for those great outdoors!
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News Disneyland modifies mask policy - UPDATE 7/28/21
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SoCalDisneyLover
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Not relevant for Disney, but L.A. County is now requiring masks outdoors for crowded outdoor events. Not sure if that means Universal, but it seems likely.
SplashGhost
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It is odd that LA County is bringing back outdoor masks now as things are slowing down in California. This article gave me some hope that maybe the "return to normal" won't be that far away.
https://www.latimes.com/california/...ta-surge-is-slowing-but-a-new-challenge-looms
https://www.latimes.com/california/...ta-surge-is-slowing-but-a-new-challenge-looms
Californian Elitist
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As long as we have people who don’t get vaccinated and refuse to wear masks, we’re going to be in this rut, whether it’s Los Angeles or other parts of the country.
SoCalDisneyLover
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CA had over 11,000 New Cases today. Definitely not slowing down. Still going up. Maybe going up slower, but going up nonetheless.
DrAlice
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When my kid can be vaccinated.
Californian Elitist
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I’ll wear masks as long as I want to and as long as I see fit. My Korean neighbors and friends have been doing it for eons and I may just continue to include it in my everyday life, just like they have.
DrAlice
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The last thing I read said:
Pfizer will present data to the FDA for 5-11 year olds at the end of September and for 2-5 year olds "shortly thereafter" (whatever that means). No word on babies. Expect the FDA to take a month to approve an EUA. So we are looking at Halloween (at the earliest) for some kids, and probably early next year for the rest.
The other companies are even further behind.
BuzzedPotatoHead89
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Outdoor masking seems excessive to me, but then again so does 40-50% of the population holding out to get a vaccine with a 90+% efficacy rate.
If we can get to either a higher rate of vaccination that at least semi mirrors what we see for other preventable diseases or preferably a workable therapeutic that is more curative/less invasive than the current monoclonal antibody therapies I’d stop wearing a mask.
If we can get to either a higher rate of vaccination that at least semi mirrors what we see for other preventable diseases or preferably a workable therapeutic that is more curative/less invasive than the current monoclonal antibody therapies I’d stop wearing a mask.
Tamandua
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That efficacy rate was based on initial clinical trials without variants. Here's some depressing news for you:
A July report from the Israel Ministry of Health found that Pfizer/BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel, where the Delta variant is the dominant strain but still provides strong protection against severe illness and hospitalization. According to the report, the vaccines still work very well in preventing severe cases, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness. But this is still is a steep decline from the earlier estimate of 64% efficacy rate released on July 5, and steeper still from the initial 95% efficacy rate Israel published in May, based on records from Jan. 24 to April 3, 2021.
Israel’s Recent Surge Confirms We Need A Multimodal Strategy To Fight Covid-19
Cases are occurring in both vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, yet with one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, Israel’s experience confirms that no single modality will control Covid-19 alone, as the virus continues to evolve and mutate.
www.forbes.com
lazyboy97o
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I really wish masking for those with respiratory symptoms remains. Nobody wants you spraying your “allergies” all of the place. But you’re somehow a wimp if you don’t freak out over a mask.
BuzzedPotatoHead89
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There will likely be a need for more boosters as more variants continue to emerge, but preventing hospitalization is still a pretty important data point.That efficacy rate was based on initial clinical trials without variants. Here's some depressing news for you:
A July report from the Israel Ministry of Health found that Pfizer/BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel, where the Delta variant is the dominant strain but still provides strong protection against severe illness and hospitalization. According to the report, the vaccines still work very well in preventing severe cases, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness. But this is still is a steep decline from the earlier estimate of 64% efficacy rate released on July 5, and steeper still from the initial 95% efficacy rate Israel published in May, based on records from Jan. 24 to April 3, 2021.
Israel’s Recent Surge Confirms We Need A Multimodal Strategy To Fight Covid-19
Cases are occurring in both vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, yet with one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, Israel’s experience confirms that no single modality will control Covid-19 alone, as the virus continues to evolve and mutate.
The interesting thing is the data point(s) from Israel actually only proves in this moment why masking indoors in close contact is still regrettably a necessary part of a “belt and suspenders” approach. That said ideally COVID post-diagnosis treatments can get us to a place that we can swap the suspenders for another alternative which are all heavily weighted on the side of preventive vs curative measures.
18 months is a relatively short time span in the dawn scientific advancement; let alone of civilization. I’ll acknowledge a lot isn’t known of COVID, but impatience trying to find/predict the timing of the answer (or looking for reasons to disprove the best odds at “beating the virus “we have for now) will become a maddening exercise in futility. But to each their own.
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Tamandua
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Boosters aren't proven to help at all at this point, especially if the primary factor of decreased efficacy is variants. If you believe that masking helps, that's one thing, but vaccine passports/mandates are being increasingly implemented for vaccines that are increasingly worthless at preventing infection and spread. Where's the rationale in forcing vaccines on people when they don't prevent spread or infection? I know people have a real team mentality on this issue, but where is the common sense in forcing vaccinations that do nothing to protect others from infection? It makes no sense at all. The mRNA vaccine went from 95% efficacy in preventing infection to 39% in just a couple months, and that's in a country that's overwhelmingly vaccinated. What will be the efficacy rate in another few months? If the trend continues, it will be single digits.
lazyboy97o
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Once again, you completely misunderstand. The 95% efficacy was serious illness. No vaccine can keep a virus from getting into your body. The rate at which a vaccinated person can be infected and contagious, and for how long, is orders of magnitude less than an unvaccinated person.
Some of the people who caught measles at Disneyland a few years ago were vaccinated. That doesn’t mean the measles vaccine doesn’t work and measles just “evolved” itself out of existence in the US.
TP2000
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The people who were vaccinated were adults who had MMR vaccines when they were in 4th grade, decades ago.
I got an MMR booster a couple years ago, just for fun. But I'm probably not average in my strong belief in vaccines and my adult booster strategy. When I ask friends when their last TDaP booster was, I usually get blank stares. A TDaP booster every 10 years is the bare minimum for adult vaccines, and yet many adult Americans have no clue about TDaP. They still call it a "tetanus shot" for gosh sakes.
TP2000
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Nope.
Universal and Six Flags won’t require masks outdoors under mega event order
The Los Angeles County Public Health department will require attendees at outdoor mega events of more than 10,000 people to wear masks regardless of COVID-19 vaccination status starting Friday, Aug…
www.ocregister.com
Universal Studios Hollywood and Six Flags Magic Mountain visitors won’t be required to wear masks outdoors under a new ordinance requiring face coverings at outdoor mega events as public health officials continue to combat the surging COVID-19 Delta variant.
The Los Angeles County Public Health department will require attendees at outdoor mega events of more than 10,000 people to wear masks regardless of COVID-19 vaccination status starting Friday, Aug. 20.
“To reduce the spread of COVID-19 and the Delta variant, universal masking is now required at all outdoor mega events where thousands of people from many different communities are crowded together, often for extended periods of time,” Los Angeles County Public Health director Barbara Ferrer said in a statement.
Outdoor mega events include open-air concerts, sporting events, food festivals, car shows, marathons and parades, according to the L.A. County Public Health order. Theme parks were not explicitly mentioned in the county order.
California Department of Public Health officials classified major California theme parks like Universal Studios Hollywood and Six Flags Magic Mountain as outdoor mega events with more than 10,000 participants or spectators under the state’s Beyond the Blueprint guidelines in May.
Universal Studios Hollywood will not require visitors to wear masks outdoors, according to theme park officials.
“The health and safety of our guests and team members is our top priority as we comply with all L.A. County Health guidelines, which currently requires face coverings worn within all indoor venues regardless of vaccination status,” according to a Universal Studios Hollywood spokesperson.
Communicora
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You reminded me that I'm due for a "tetanus shot." I guess I'll get it when I get my flu shot this fall.The people who were vaccinated were adults who had MMR vaccines when they were in 4th grade, decades ago.
I got an MMR booster a couple years ago, just for fun. But I'm probably not average in my strong belief in vaccines and my adult booster strategy. When I ask friends when their last TDaP booster was, I usually get blank stares. A TDaP booster every 10 years is the bare minimum for adult vaccines, and yet many adult Americans have no clue about TDaP. They still call it a "tetanus shot" for gosh sakes.
TP2000
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Please do! It's the D and the P in that TDaP booster shot that are more beneficial than Tetanus; Diptheria and Pertussis.
It's more likely you'll be around someone with Diptheria or Pertussis (whooping cough) than the likelihood of stepping on a rusty nail.
TP2000
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The latest from the West Coast on masks, or lack thereof.
California still has no statewide mask mandate. Sacramento has gone completely hands off on any statewide Covid direction, in advance of that little thing happening on September 14th.
Orange County (Population 3.1 Million, Disneyland, Knott's Berry Farm) still has no mask mandate. San Diego County (Population 3.3. Million, Sea World, Legoland, San Diego Zoo) still has no mask mandate. Los Angeles County (Population 10.1 Million, Universal Studios, Magic Mountain) implemented an indoor mask mandate, but exempted theme parks from it's mandate on entertainment with more than 1,000 people in attendance.
Meanwhile, up in Oregon (Population 4.2 Million, over half in Portland), they are bringing back the statewide mask mandate on all outdoor activities after already bringing back the statewide indoor mask mandate. Don't even ask where that old Western States Pact is that the three West Coast governors bragged about back in 2020. It lasted about as long as a cheap smoke bomb in a downtown Portland riot.
Oregon = #46 727 Deaths Per 1 Million, #12 57.5% Fully Vaccinated
California = #33 1,651 Deaths Per 1 Million, #16 55.1% Fully Vaccinated
www.oregonlive.com
www.realclearpolitics.com
www.bloomberg.com
en.wikipedia.org
California still has no statewide mask mandate. Sacramento has gone completely hands off on any statewide Covid direction, in advance of that little thing happening on September 14th.
Orange County (Population 3.1 Million, Disneyland, Knott's Berry Farm) still has no mask mandate. San Diego County (Population 3.3. Million, Sea World, Legoland, San Diego Zoo) still has no mask mandate. Los Angeles County (Population 10.1 Million, Universal Studios, Magic Mountain) implemented an indoor mask mandate, but exempted theme parks from it's mandate on entertainment with more than 1,000 people in attendance.
Meanwhile, up in Oregon (Population 4.2 Million, over half in Portland), they are bringing back the statewide mask mandate on all outdoor activities after already bringing back the statewide indoor mask mandate. Don't even ask where that old Western States Pact is that the three West Coast governors bragged about back in 2020. It lasted about as long as a cheap smoke bomb in a downtown Portland riot.
Oregon = #46 727 Deaths Per 1 Million, #12 57.5% Fully Vaccinated
California = #33 1,651 Deaths Per 1 Million, #16 55.1% Fully Vaccinated
Oregon to require masks at outdoor public settings starting Friday
Gov. Kate Brown announced Tuesday that adults and children who are at least 5 years old must wear masks in most public outdoor settings starting Friday.
www.oregonlive.com
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
More Than 12.7 Billion Shots Given: Covid-19 Tracker
Bloomberg counted up the shots administered in 184 countries and 59 US states and territories
www.bloomberg.com
Western States Pact - Wikipedia
Tamandua
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Most of the people in Oregon are laughing at this. If you're in Portland or maybe Salem then you might see some enforcement, but almost the entire rest of the state is very spread out and knows there will be no enforcement. Kate Brown is extremely out of touch with most Oregonians and they don't care what she says.The latest from the West Coast on masks, or lack thereof.
California still has no statewide mask mandate. Sacramento has gone completely hands off on any statewide Covid direction, in advance of that little thing happening on September 14th.
Orange County (Population 3.1 Million, Disneyland, Knott's Berry Farm) still has no mask mandate. San Diego County (Population 3.3. Million, Sea World, Legoland, San Diego Zoo) still has no mask mandate. Los Angeles County (Population 10.1 Million, Universal Studios, Magic Mountain) implemented an indoor mask mandate, but exempted theme parks from it's mandate on entertainment with more than 1,000 people in attendance.
Meanwhile, up in Oregon (Population 4.2 Million, over half in Portland), they are bringing back the statewide mask mandate on all outdoor activities after already bringing back the statewide indoor mask mandate. Don't even ask where that old Western States Pact is that the three West Coast governors bragged about back in 2020. It lasted about as long as a cheap smoke bomb in a downtown Portland riot.
Oregon = #46 727 Deaths Per 1 Million, #12 57.5% Fully Vaccinated
California = #33 1,651 Deaths Per 1 Million, #16 55.1% Fully Vaccinated
Oregon to require masks at outdoor public settings starting Friday
Gov. Kate Brown announced Tuesday that adults and children who are at least 5 years old must wear masks in most public outdoor settings starting Friday.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPoliticsMore Than 12.7 Billion Shots Given: Covid-19 Tracker
Bloomberg counted up the shots administered in 184 countries and 59 US states and territoriesWestern States Pact - Wikipedia