Disneyland considers new annual passes and tickets for afternoon and evenings - OCR/SCNG

[Stevek]

WandaVision alone is worth the $8 a month!

I made it through Episode 1...going to hope the next episodes are better.

 

[Stevek]

Disneyland’s annual passholders accounted for half of attendance, analysts say

With an estimated 1 million passholders, there would have been an impossibly long virtual queue of die-hard fans waiting anxiously to snag an online advance reservation for Disneyland’s reopening d…

www.ocregister.com

I got into a bit of an FB argument with APs about this...they called BS, said they aren't the problem that THEY ALL spend tons of money in the park on every visit.

 

[flutas]

I made it through Episode 1...going to hope the next episodes are better.

Episode 1/2 are slow, episode 3 is where it gets good and fast.

I got into a bit of an FB argument with APs about this...they called BS, said they aren't the problem that THEY ALL spend tons of money in the park on every visit.

They might, but they are also the minority of APs. Most aren't going to be spending much at DLR.

 

[truecoat]

Episode 1/2 are slow, episode 3 is where it gets good and fast.

It's a slow burn burn til 4. I loved the first 3 though. They captured those sitcom styles perfectly.

 

[cmwade77]

I got into a bit of an FB argument with APs about this...they called BS, said they aren't the problem that THEY ALL spend tons of money in the park on every visit.

Personally, I always do end up spending money every visit, sometimes more than others admittedly, but usually never less than $20 in total.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Personally, I always do end up spending money every visit, sometimes more than others admittedly, but usually never less than $20 in total.

Look, Disney has a LOT of Data.

How many AP's they had, the average amount of visits they made, and using surveys and use of AP discounts, the average amount spent as an AP holder.

They have much more info on tourists. The "local" version, which are those who don't stay overnight, to the overnighters, how many nights, on-property, off property hotels, and those staying with relatives/friends. They also know the type of ticket media they use (yes, some use AP's), and how much they spend, both on-property and off, with assistance with Visit Anaheim.

Disney has stated on multiple investors events that the "out of towners" spend more per day in total than AP holders.

Nobody has said that AP holders don't spend money, though some don't spend any on their visits.

 

[Stevek]

Look, Disney has a LOT of Data.

How many AP's they had, the average amount of visits they made, and using surveys and use of AP discounts, the average amount spent as an AP holder.

They have much more info on tourists. The "local" version, which are those who don't stay overnight, to the overnighters, how many nights, on-property, off property hotels, and those staying with relatives/friends. They also know the type of ticket media they use (yes, some use AP's), and how much they spend, both on-property and off, with assistance with Visit Anaheim.

Disney has stated on multiple investors events that the "out of towners" spend more per day in total than AP holders.

Nobody has said that AP holders don't spend money, though some don't spend any on their visits.

Exactly. People could not believe that a full ticket paying visitor pays more per visit on average than an AP. It's literally like I was persecuting them.

 

[CaptinEO]

They might look like the same scanners but they don't have the right components to read bands. They would have to redo all of them.

I thought they did have the protocol built in for wireless communication. Even if they did not, they have all the infrastructure and software to support usage of magic bands at rides. They would just have to add the wireless sensor.

Before it was just a person collecting tickets, but now it can log all activity over a network and query itsdatabase to make sure you have an active fastpass.

 

[cmwade77]

I thought they did have the protocol built in for wireless communication. Even if they did not, they have all the infrastructure and software to support usage of magic bands at rides. They would just have to add the wireless sensor.

Before it was just a person collecting tickets, but now it can log all activity over a network and query itsdatabase to make sure you have an active fastpass.

Due to California's privacy laws, the portion I put in bold is actually precisely why magic bands can't be used in California, especially since the prop to enhance the privacy laws was passed, it is even worse now.

 

[el_super]

Due to California's privacy laws, the portion I put in bold is actually precisely why magic bands can't be used in California, especially since the prop to enhance the privacy laws was passed, it is even worse now.

This is factually incorrect. The CCPA creates protections for consumers, and allows them to request the removal of stored data, but really doesn't limit what consumers are allowed to voluntarily submit.

Also: The CCPA only went into effect last year, so that doesn't explain why magic bands weren't brought over sooner.

 

[CaptinEO]

Due to California's privacy laws, the portion I put in bold is actually precisely why magic bands can't be used in California, especially since the prop to enhance the privacy laws was passed, it is even worse now.

When maxpass debutted, fastpass checkpoints went digital (instead of a person) and had to reference a ticket database. The only difference between Land and World is that their ticket number is being input by NFC, Land is input by barcode scanner. Rumor has it the nfc readers are already in the FP readers.

Other than that its the same process on the backend.

Wireless payments were also added in nearly all PoS systems, they werent advertised but they worked for me (Apple Pay) for about 2 months.

 

[chadwpalm]

There are two NFC components in a MagicBand. An active NFC chip that is powered by a small battery in the band that sends out a transponder-type signal that allows antennas throughout the park to triangulate your position and thus allows your position to be tracked.

The second is a passive NFC chip that only works by touching it up against a receiver (like what's in credit cards and door security cards) and this is the part that is used for gate entry, Fastpass, and that silly pirate game, etc.

I can see privacy concerns linked to the active NFC since it can big-brother track you around the park. Whether Disney can legally say "Once you purchase and slap one of these on your wrist you are agreeing to the terms of privacy...yadda yadda, and if you want to opt-out simply don't use them." Not sure if that actually is allowed, but you can always opt-out by not wearing it. Also, Disney doesn't have to spend money to actively use this system anyway at the DLR. They can just use the passive NFC for FP and such. I don't see privacy concerns about that as your NFC chip's ID would just be another column in the database that links your MagicBand to your ticket and as Captn EO said wouldn't change how the backend works.

At the end of the day, the execs said they won't be using MagicBands at the DLR, so it's a moot point. If Apple allowed the use of their NFC chips in their phones for 3rd party apps, that could always be an option over scanning barcodes. I doubt that will ever happen though.

PS. I actually found that Pirate game to be fun

 

[Tamandua]

There are two NFC components in a MagicBand. An active NFC chip that is powered by a small battery in the band that sends out a transponder-type signal that allows antennas throughout the park to triangulate your position and thus allows your position to be tracked.

The second is a passive NFC chip that only works by touching it up against a receiver (like what's in credit cards and door security cards) and this is the part that is used for gate entry, Fastpass, and that silly pirate game, etc.

I can see privacy concerns linked to the active NFC since it can big-brother track you around the park. Whether Disney can legally say "Once you purchase and slap one of these on your wrist you are agreeing to the terms of privacy...yadda yadda, and if you want to opt-out simply don't use them." Not sure if that actually is allowed, but you can always opt-out by not wearing it. Also, Disney doesn't have to spend money to actively use this system anyway at the DLR. They can just use the passive NFC for FP and such. I don't see privacy concerns about that as your NFC chip's ID would just be another column in the database that links your MagicBand to your ticket and as Captn EO said wouldn't change how the backend works.

At the end of the day, the execs said they won't be using MagicBands at the DLR, so it's a moot point. If Apple allowed the use of their NFC chips in their phones for 3rd party apps, that could always be an option over scanning barcodes. I doubt that will ever happen though.

PS. I actually found that Pirate game to be fun

Is there any purpose for the active nfc chip beyond allowing Disney to track your whereabouts?

 

[el_super]

Is there any purpose for the active nfc chip beyond allowing Disney to track your whereabouts?

Not really. The original idea was that they could get real time updates if too many magic band wearers were in a specific area of the park. They could open more capacity and encourage people to move to Tomorrowland if too many people were in Frontierland. It never really worked that way in a world where all capacity was used all the time.

Disney has access to so much location data from cell phone companies, and from their own app, the magic band is pretty useless to support.

 

[CaptinEO]

There are two NFC components in a MagicBand. An active NFC chip that is powered by a small battery in the band that sends out a transponder-type signal that allows antennas throughout the park to triangulate your position and thus allows your position to be tracked.

The second is a passive NFC chip that only works by touching it up against a receiver (like what's in credit cards and door security cards) and this is the part that is used for gate entry, Fastpass, and that silly pirate game, etc.

I can see privacy concerns linked to the active NFC since it can big-brother track you around the park. Whether Disney can legally say "Once you purchase and slap one of these on your wrist you are agreeing to the terms of privacy...yadda yadda, and if you want to opt-out simply don't use them." Not sure if that actually is allowed, but you can always opt-out by not wearing it. Also, Disney doesn't have to spend money to actively use this system anyway at the DLR. They can just use the passive NFC for FP and such. I don't see privacy concerns about that as your NFC chip's ID would just be another column in the database that links your MagicBand to your ticket and as Captn EO said wouldn't change how the backend works.

At the end of the day, the execs said they won't be using MagicBands at the DLR, so it's a moot point. If Apple allowed the use of their NFC chips in their phones for 3rd party apps, that could always be an option over scanning barcodes. I doubt that will ever happen though.

PS. I actually found that Pirate game to be fun

Interesting about the tracking. In Disneyland the app is doing tracking of all these things and more so I don't see it actually being a difference.

 

[Disney Irish]

Interesting about the tracking. In Disneyland the app is doing tracking of all these things and more so I don't see it actually being a difference.

Which is why TWDC decided to use the App at all other Disney Parks instead of expanding MagicBands. The App provides Disney the same data with expanded capabilities for guests.

 

[chadwpalm]

Is there any purpose for the active nfc chip beyond allowing Disney to track your whereabouts?

Yes, for enhanced guest experiences.

For attractions: On Haunted Mansion and Seven Dwarfs Mine Train it is used to track you on the ride and when your picture is taken it automatically puts it in your My Disney Experience app without needing to see it on a screen or enter a code. I specifically remember this on SDMT when I went. The photos just appeared in the app and we were like, "how did it know??"

Also, they now use it to personally tell you goodbye on a screen in the goodbye room on Small World.

For restaurants: In the Be Our Guest restaurant, if you have a magic band you scan it after you pay and they can track which table you are sitting at and bring your food right to you no matter where you are sitting.

There may be others, but those are the ones I know about.

Which is why TWDC decided to use the App at all other Disney Parks instead of expanding MagicBands. The App provides Disney the same data with expanded capabilities for guests.

Not really. Cell phones don't get good enough reception indoors nor have reliable enough GPS capabilities to fully take advantage of the guest experiences I mentioned above. GPS triangulation happens at the cell tower level. With NFC they can do it with cheaper antennas within the park for much better accuracy. Not everyone uses the Disney app nor chooses to leave the app open and allowing the GPS to drain their batteries 5x faster. That makes magic bands a better more controllable product.

Again, they won't be coming to the west coast, but they offer much better control over your location and are much easier to use than cell phones and tickets for FP scanning. At least right now they are. Magic Bands are a wonderful concept, but expenses in rolling it out along with it being accompanied by an inferior Fastpass and overall My Disney Experience is why it will not happen in other parks.

 

[Disney Irish]

Not really. Cell phones don't get good enough reception indoors nor have reliable enough GPS capabilities to fully take advantage of the guest experiences I mentioned above. GPS triangulation happens at the cell tower level. With NFC they can do it with cheaper antennas within the park for much better accuracy. Not everyone uses the Disney app nor chooses to leave the app open and allowing the GPS to drain their batteries 5x faster. That makes magic bands a better more controllable product.

Again, they won't be coming to the west coast, but they offer much better control over your location and are much easier to use than cell phones and tickets for FP scanning. At least right now they are. Magic Bands are a wonderful concept, but expenses in rolling it out along with it being accompanied by an inferior Fastpass and overall My Disney Experience is why it will not happen in other parks.

I disagree, but its not worth it to go into details. Everyone has their own opinions on this topic and its best to just leave it at that. Point is that no matter the opinion on the smart phone experience MagicBands aren't coming to any other Disney Park, and are limited to WDW only.

 

[TP2000]

WandaVision alone is worth the $8 a month!

I wish you could have seen me a few nights ago trying to figure out what WandaVision was. I love the concept of a family that changes through the decades like a Sitcom changes. But then I tried to figure out why they were changing, and how, and it got very confusing for me as I tried to read Wikipedia and some industry media stories on it.

I have no idea about Marvel stuff. I have no idea what an "MCU" is, or how it impacts me. I have no idea what an Avenger is, and if they are good guys or bad guys.

And don't even get me started on a nice girl being married to a red robot! Sinful.

What I was relegated to was watching about 5 minutes worth of YouTube videos of the various opening theme songs to each episode. I think my favorite was the 1980's version. The 1970's version was the most disappointing to me, because that's an era I remember most fondly, and there are so many fun ways they could have gone besides just a sloppy Brady Bunch thing. Talk about phoning it in for the 1970's! Ugh.

The 1960's version was my second favorite. But this one was the most enjoyable for me, even though I still have no idea what an MCU is...

 

[cmwade77]

When maxpass debutted, fastpass checkpoints went digital (instead of a person) and had to reference a ticket database. The only difference between Land and World is that their ticket number is being input by NFC, Land is input by barcode scanner. Rumor has it the nfc readers are already in the FP readers.

Other than that its the same process on the backend.

Wireless payments were also added in nearly all PoS systems, they werent advertised but they worked for me (Apple Pay) for about 2 months.

The difference is long range sensors can be used with magicbands to track every move of every guest and don't think for a second they aren't doing that.