DisneyManOne
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I, myself, am personally on Team Tiana with this. I can't wait for that ride to open. It'll still be the same thing, just with a different theme.
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Disneyland 1991 - Vol. III
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Architectural Guinea Pig
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- No
I'm happy enough that Japan still kept theirs. Different culture, different rules
Heck, different owner
Oh, I’m on neither team for that whole thing.
But, looking back at it @Disney Warrior Let’s leave Splash alone for this project. We’ll have plenty more to do
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Outbound
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Hi all, this project looks exciting! I've been meaning to get back into Imagineering but time seems to always stop me from actively contributing. That said, Imagineering is always something fun to get back into, and this seems fairly lowkey, so I'd love to help out wherever I can!
Some thoughts having read through the brainstorming:
1). Waterpark - Discoveryland : I really love the idea of a Discoveryland / Jules Verne water park, I think it's a smart reuse of the theme in a new context. Maybe also drawing some ideas from Disney Port, the other 90s lost second gate?
2). Downtown Disney - WestCOT : I also like this approach because it frees up the possibility of a different type of second gate. Don't get me wrong, I love the WestCOT idea, but we could adapt it in a whole new direction while still remaining relatively true to the core concept, celebrating different regions around the world. That we would open the parking lot for something entirely new.
3). Second Gate - ??? : So personally, I'm not entirely sold on a Hollywood / Studios park, but maybe that's because it has been done before. It's still a great idea, especially if we could put a fresh spin on it!
One idea I saw floated before I was drawing inspiration from Islands of Adventure, and this sorta led me to wonder what a "90s Disney" would do with the IoA concept. In short, no dominant "theme" aside from a patchwork of unique "adventure" worlds. It could be a way to reimagine old ideas like Beastly Kingdome, a pre-2000s era take on Star Wars or Marvel IP lands, or just an opportunity to create something entirely new!
That said, all the above ideas are great, and I'm sure we could create some amazing projects out of any of them!!
Some thoughts having read through the brainstorming:
1). Waterpark - Discoveryland : I really love the idea of a Discoveryland / Jules Verne water park, I think it's a smart reuse of the theme in a new context. Maybe also drawing some ideas from Disney Port, the other 90s lost second gate?
2). Downtown Disney - WestCOT : I also like this approach because it frees up the possibility of a different type of second gate. Don't get me wrong, I love the WestCOT idea, but we could adapt it in a whole new direction while still remaining relatively true to the core concept, celebrating different regions around the world. That we would open the parking lot for something entirely new.
3). Second Gate - ??? : So personally, I'm not entirely sold on a Hollywood / Studios park, but maybe that's because it has been done before. It's still a great idea, especially if we could put a fresh spin on it!
One idea I saw floated before I was drawing inspiration from Islands of Adventure, and this sorta led me to wonder what a "90s Disney" would do with the IoA concept. In short, no dominant "theme" aside from a patchwork of unique "adventure" worlds. It could be a way to reimagine old ideas like Beastly Kingdome, a pre-2000s era take on Star Wars or Marvel IP lands, or just an opportunity to create something entirely new!
That said, all the above ideas are great, and I'm sure we could create some amazing projects out of any of them!!
JokersWild
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Of what's been discussed I don't think we should lock in a theme for the waterpark quite yet, but I really like the Italy idea. It sounds really unique.
I think I'm the only one who supports cartoons, but it'd be a really interesting compliment to Disneyland. And the '90s is the perfect time period for a cartoon park.
I think I prefer an American Waterfront theme for the shopping center. WestCot just doesn't scream shopping to me. It would make for some interesting experiences, but I think I'd rather shop in a fake gilded age than a fake world's fair.
I think I'm the only one who supports cartoons, but it'd be a really interesting compliment to Disneyland. And the '90s is the perfect time period for a cartoon park.
I think I prefer an American Waterfront theme for the shopping center. WestCot just doesn't scream shopping to me. It would make for some interesting experiences, but I think I'd rather shop in a fake gilded age than a fake world's fair.
Good to see you back Outbound!
There's something about having a studio in California the draws concern to me a bit as well.... It kind of gives me warning how Davis Put Pirates in the west and wanted Cowboys in the east for a reason... you know?
That being said - It would fit the DCA "They come for California - just put it on property" thought process of the time.
Honestly, if we are going out of the norm - Decades would also be a fun setting. I could see a Disney 50s Studio based land with a Mickey Mouse Club show and Zorro attraction at the forefront.
If I recall correct, @D Hulk made an attraction with Zorro years ago for DCA that was pretty phenomenal.
I think it depend what Downtown Disney is at the time for me.
I'm thinking Pleasure Island, La Nouba, and DisneyQuest and an entertainment venue like HOB. - WestCot works with that.
If it's strictly shopping like springs? Yeah, I'd say waterfront too.
DisneyFan32
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Yeah the main problem is Hollywoodland for Disneyland, if WESTCOT gets over Hollywoodland, it needs to have its own line each time as other Eisner projects during 1990s. Y'all Disney-MGM Studios did opened in 1989 at Walt Disney World, so Hollywoodland needs squeeze in.
JokersWild
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That's something to discuss as well. I haven't been checking this thread too frequently. Is that something that's been discussed? I definitely support adding some attractions to our shopping center and I think there are ways to have attractions that would work with either theme, but we also shouldn't add them just to have them. At the very least it could probably use a club. I don't want to outright copy the Adventurer's Club, but something in a similar vein. Or maybe a highly themed club and a more traditional club to make a sort of mini Pleasure Island.
It hasn’t really been discussed yet on what direction to take it. But I could see both to be honest.
Outbound
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I also like the idea of adding more interactive elements to Downtown Disney, although of course shouldn’t be the main draw. We should try to create an area designed with shopping, dining, and exploring first, and if interactive elements or mini-attractions present themselves, we could try incorporating them.It hasn’t really been discussed yet on what direction to take it. But I could see both to be honest.
With a WestCot / Downtown Disney mash-up, I was mainly coming from the angle of viewing it as a kind of open “World Showcase”. The primary draw of WS is shopping, dining, and exploring the lands. I think something similar could be done by adapting WestCot’s continent design, whereas many other lands (Discovery Bay or Hollywood, for example) are often defined by their attraction possibilities.
Building on Joker’s American Waterfront suggestion + the decades park idea, combining them for a “Decades of America” could be an interesting similar idea. A prolonged extension of Main Street starting with a Cape Cod New England type land and extending into the Gilded Age American Waterfront, a Googie 1950s LA, and then the “present” as the 90s.
I think it’d work better as a downtown than second gate, as we might run into the DCA problem then w/ Cali, and would have to prioritize other regions a bit more.
JokersWild
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That version of a Westcot shopping center sounds fantastic. I love focusing more on countries and cultures more than technology. Fully in support of this version of DTD.
I like where you're going with the Decades of America idea, but what you're describing is about a third of what DisneySEA already is haha. I'm cool with it if we want to do that as the shopping center, but I agree that it shouldn't be our second gate.
JokersWild
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Just to flesh out some of what I was talking about a few days ago:
Cartoon World
.ToonTown entry land? It seems like the most accessible or familiar setting to ease guests into the park. I would give it a more open layout so as not to mirror Main Street. A larger Roger Rabbit attraction could be fun here.
.Black and white cartoons - the entire land is in black and white. Smaller in scale, mostly featuring flatrides
.The Disney Afternoon - Fairly obvious. We always do Duckburg when we do Disney Afternoon lands, so I'd love to do something different like Cape Suzette from TaleSpin. Outside of the setting, this could feature a fun mix of IPs such as Chip & Dale and Darkwing Duck
.Little Mermaid - It's just come out. It was, and is, very popular. It's a natural fit for a modern movie IP in a time where Disney is just starting to regain their footing. I hesitate to make this an indoor land like DisneySEA, but I love the vibe it has as an indoor land.
.Another land but I'm not sure what
.Mickey Mouse Ride Centerpiece - self-explanatory. Something to tie the park together.
Rereading it it looks small, but I really do like the idea. We definitely have better options, but this is something we could build on very easily.
Cartoon World
.ToonTown entry land? It seems like the most accessible or familiar setting to ease guests into the park. I would give it a more open layout so as not to mirror Main Street. A larger Roger Rabbit attraction could be fun here.
.Black and white cartoons - the entire land is in black and white. Smaller in scale, mostly featuring flatrides
.The Disney Afternoon - Fairly obvious. We always do Duckburg when we do Disney Afternoon lands, so I'd love to do something different like Cape Suzette from TaleSpin. Outside of the setting, this could feature a fun mix of IPs such as Chip & Dale and Darkwing Duck
.Little Mermaid - It's just come out. It was, and is, very popular. It's a natural fit for a modern movie IP in a time where Disney is just starting to regain their footing. I hesitate to make this an indoor land like DisneySEA, but I love the vibe it has as an indoor land.
.Another land but I'm not sure what
.Mickey Mouse Ride Centerpiece - self-explanatory. Something to tie the park together.
Rereading it it looks small, but I really do like the idea. We definitely have better options, but this is something we could build on very easily.
ThemeParkPriest
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If Little Mermaid represents something from Disney's Golden Age, maybe we need an early cartoon like Snow White or Fantasia?
MickeyWaffleCo.
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The problem is that the theme is what defines the ride. If Disney decided to retheme Pirates to Tangled, I don’t think people would be saying “it’s the same thing, just with a different theme.” Changing the theme is changing a fundamental part of the ride.
Disney Warrior
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Maybe we could put a villains land in Disneyland? (either where Toontown or Star Wars is in our world, or somewhere else)
DisneyFan32
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- Yes
I love it. But I prefer Disney-MGM Studios California better or I'll call Disney-Warner Bros. Studios for a second park which it will opened in 1999 or 2000.
Disney Dad 3000
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I agree, not really sold on the Studios idea, as most of us have done it a lot, and we have the benefit of hindsight seeing how those parks have had to majorly evolve down the road.
I am a fan of the IOA direction. It would make a lot of sense here with its similar vibe to DisneySea that was originally an idea for CA before being realized in some fashion in Tokyo.
Really like this idea as well (particularly exploring a Cape Suzette land and the B&W area). You mention concerns about being small, but if we can fit it, what if this was the direction for a 3rd gate (even if was maybe 75% the size of DL/2nd gate)?
Eisner has challenged us to turn DL into a resort destination. A 2nd gate and a shopping district that are locks for this project were realized in actuality. If we add the potential waterpark, a few new hotels and this as a potential 3rd gate, I think that makes for a more compelling reason for guests to turn DL into a 4-7 day destination.
cdunlap
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Just by that one image of a concept I have never heard of, I love the idea of integrating those spheres as the landmark!
JokersWild
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That’s a fantastic point and I really like that angle.