http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_c...-over-the-past-3-to-5-years.aspx#.UEkGdo5MZ0g
Some interesting points.
Some interesting points.
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Disney ( World ) vs. Disney ( Land )? - Jim Hills Thoughts
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Rose Marie
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They are good points and it's true that a billion goes a lot further when it has to be used for 1 sq mile vs 50, but he forgets that a lot of these infrastructure upgrades were needed a long time ago and that these other improvements are of questionable value.
Also, gating the MK Rose Garden for FP+ viewing? Yes, I'm sure that's a grand expense there.
Fantasyland expansion? That's fine and much needed. The thought that Staggs was single-handedly responsible for pouring 100m in and saving it? Nah. Art of Animation? Finally fixing an abandoned site that was left to rot for 5 years. GF Villas? Yay, more DVC, we can always use more of those. Golden Oak? Rousing success I hear. Reimagining of Test Track? LOL. Revamp MMaY? Double LOL. Sorcerers of the Magic Kingdom and Agent P's World Showcase Adventure? Something that distracts from the fact that the MK lacks recent attractions and something that's a retheme (pardon me, "reimagining") of an existing attraction.
Also, gating the MK Rose Garden for FP+ viewing? Yes, I'm sure that's a grand expense there.
menamechris
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Jim Hill needs to just stop talking sometimes. To entertain the idea that DVC, Golden Oak, etc. are not being done for greedy corporate purposes is laughable. Anyone will tell you the only reason why DVC is being done is because they can turn a profit in record time off of them. It has nothing to do with enhancing the guest experience - it's about cold hard profit margins - that they then pocket. Poor Jim, he seems to get even more clueless as the years go by...
njDizFan
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This article ranges from the obvious to the absurd. How he can possibily say that we already got our "DCA makeover" at WDW, that is insane. Equating FLE+AoA+Golden Oak+GF DVC+TT refurb+Agent P/Sorcerers+MMY is = DCA Makeover does not work. Sure we got a few nice rides, a couple of interactive games and some hotel rooms but you cannot begin to compare that to the progress in the west coast.
There's a big difference between spending 1 billion wisely(state of the art, headlining attractions) and spending 1 billion the way TDO does business
There's a big difference between spending 1 billion wisely(state of the art, headlining attractions) and spending 1 billion the way TDO does business
Californian Elitist
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A lot of the stuff said in that article is bogus, in my opinion, especially the section where he said he considers himself a realist. Gotta be kidding me.
Millionaire2K
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You will not spend the same amount of cash to fix up 1 house as you would 2.
So to say they spread the same amount of cash over a much larger amount of land is a stupid argument. For size reason WDW should have 3-4 times the amount of cash spent then DL. WDW makes much more money than DL so they should invest more not the same.
Each property at WDW should be looked at as if the others were not there. Not building any major rides in EP, HS and AK except for every 3-4 years is sick.
So to say they spread the same amount of cash over a much larger amount of land is a stupid argument. For size reason WDW should have 3-4 times the amount of cash spent then DL. WDW makes much more money than DL so they should invest more not the same.
Each property at WDW should be looked at as if the others were not there. Not building any major rides in EP, HS and AK except for every 3-4 years is sick.
jt04
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Who the heck is "they" anyway? I hear people refer to this mysterious group all the time but never a good description. I want specific facts to solve this grand mystery. And please don't throw the 1% at us or some other unthinking talking point.
tomman710
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The "they" they are talking about is TDO ... their bonuses are tied to profit margin.
This is all research-able ... I'm sure a vet like you can find it.
jt04
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So what. That is how they negotiated their deal. Are people here jealous or something?
tomman710
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Yup.
We're jealous that the money that should be going to improve the parks is going to inflate already inflated bonuses.
Mildly disingenuous of Jim to compare the monies spent on CarsLand and a renovation at one hotel to TDO spending on a new Value resort, DVC and then the FLE, regardless of how much the SDMT raised the budget. But, Disney will undoubtedly enjoy the article.....
jt04
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TWDC has already proven they are willing to invest as they deem necessary. Obviously they do not have to bow to whatever is in TDO's contracts. Disney is opening two new venues and countless smaller adds to the MK in the next few months. In addition, they are building Pandora at DAK. In addition they have expanded WDI's facilities and brought in new WDI management to oversee whatever it is they are cooking up.
And we are still talking about a management structure that no longer exists the way it once did? Sorry but I am not that foolish.
FrankLapidus
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Are they?
agree and i dont know why this isnt brought up more....they should be doubling and tripling investment in orlando
Atomicmickey
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Am I a 'fanbois' because I could give a rip about DVC? I go to Disney for the parks.
Sometimes I stay on property, sometimes off. But I go there for the parks.
Don't most people?
I appreciate some of the upgrades we've been getting--Main Street is looking fine!
And I do view the Fantasyland expansion as a big deal, but it ain't a potter-swatter,
and my beloved Epcot needs lovin' big-time.
Sometimes I stay on property, sometimes off. But I go there for the parks.
Don't most people?
I appreciate some of the upgrades we've been getting--Main Street is looking fine!
And I do view the Fantasyland expansion as a big deal, but it ain't a potter-swatter,
and my beloved Epcot needs lovin' big-time.
jt04
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Pandora and other infrastructure spending will cover that easily.
jt04
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Yes.
i like your optimism and hope you re right
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