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[TrainsOfDisney]

If, as you propose, Disney is foolish and doesn't understand (after 60+ years) the economic value of an employee with 5 years of popcorn vendor experience, then the other companies will gladly scoop him up and get that return and Disney will see their popcorn sales decrease as all of their experienced vendors leave for the competition causing them to reevaluate their position. Yet again, Problem Solved.

In general, it would appear that Disney is foolish and doesn’t understand the economic value of long-term CM’s and keeping good CM morale.

That’s why they are lacking in CM’s and operating with limited capacity and turning guests away.

 

[WDWJoeG]

Of course we are. You're discussing a free market that doesn't care about the well being of the labor force and market forces should dictate the cost of labor. So naturally if there is a lack of labor in a given region, why not allow children to work in places they are capable like holding signs or handing out balloons?

Why are we concerned about a proper minimum wage but not concerned about government forcing businesses to chose who they can and can not hire?

Always better to exaggerate and move the goalposts than actually address the dozens of rational, real world points about the actual topic at hand you conveniently ignored above. I get it, you have no response and no actual answers about your "living wage" concept, so you'll hyperventilate now about child labor and slavery.

 

[WDWJoeG]

In general, it would appear that Disney is foolish and doesn’t understand the economic value of long-term CM’s and keeping good CM morale.

That’s why they are lacking in CM’s and operating with limited capacity and turning guests away.

And here's the great news, if they have to limit attendance and turn guests away costing them millions in profits because they can't retain employees, they will have to change their pay and CM offerings to be able to attract/retain employees. Again, problem solved.

None of these dynamics happen in a vacuum - every action has a reaction.

 

[JD80]

Always better to hyper-exaggerate and move the goalposts than actually address the dozens of rational, real world points you conveniently ignored above. I get it, you have no response so you'll hyperventilate now about child labor.

It's all related - Minimum Wage, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, OSHA, the FDA, Child Labor Laws etc. It's not hyperventilating, all labor laws and workplace safety laws exist for a reason. All of these laws and governing bodies were created after the great depression to stabilize the economy and protect the labor force.

You can't debate one without acknowledging all the other ones exist. There is a reason why minimum wage exists. There is a reason why child labor laws exist.

You are the one choosing to argue against a minimum wage and saying the market itself should dictate what it is. Well if the market can dictate a minimum wage based on labor abundance or scarcity, then you also have to be open to arguing that the age of entry INTO the labor force would equally have to be dictated by the free market no?

In your opinion should there be a minimum wage? If yes, what should it be?
In your opinion should there be an age requirement to enter into the work force? If yes, what should it be?

 

[WDWJoeG]

It's all related - Minimum Wage, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, OSHA, the FDA, Child Labor Laws etc. It's not hyperventilating, all labor laws and workplace safety laws exist for a reason. All of these laws and governing bodies were created after the great depression to stabilize the economy and protect the labor force.

You can't debate one without acknowledging all the other ones exist. There is a reason why minimum wage exists. There is a reason why child labor laws exist.

You are the one choosing to argue against a minimum wage and saying the market itself should dictate what it is. Well if the market can dictate a minimum wage based on labor abundance or scarcity, then you also have to be open to arguing that the age of entry INTO the labor force would equally have to be dictated by the free market no?

In your opinion should there be a minimum wage? If yes, what should it be?
In your opinion should there be an age requirement to enter into the work force? If yes, what should it be?

So I'm taking this screed as you have given up on defining what your "living wage" specifically is and how that would actually work in reality. Got it.

 

[Lilofan]

In general, it would appear that Disney is foolish and doesn’t understand the economic value of long-term CM’s and keeping good CM morale.

That’s why they are lacking in CM’s and operating with limited capacity and turning guests away.

Perhaps to some guests in dismay, there are cast member anniversary parties in May to honor invitees. MK is even closing at 430pm one day so the cast can celebrate their achievements and enjoy the park all to themselves. Isn't that a good way of honoring the castmembers?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

So I'm taking this screed as you have given up on defining what your "living wage" specifically is and how that would actually work in reality. Got it.

It has been defined. $35k per year really should be the minimum wage. That’s around $18 per hour based on a 40 hr. Work week.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

It has been defined. $35k per year really should be the minimum wage. That’s around $18 per hour based on a 40 hr. Work week.

It's $16.82. Those states that are upping the minimum wage to $15 are on the right track, but still below where they should be.

ETA: And that minimum wage should keep pace with inflation.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

It has been defined. $35k per year really should be the minimum wage. That’s around $18 per hour based on a 40 hr. Work week.

WDW jobs start at $15 an hour (dishwashers and quick service) and many start a few dollars above that ($17 for housekeeping, $18 for bus driver, etc)… sounds like they already paying a living wage so all this arguing is mute.

 

[WDWJoeG]

WDW jobs start at $15 an hour (dishwashers and quick service) and many start a few dollars above that ($17 for housekeeping, $18 for bus driver, etc)… sounds like they already paying a living wage so all this arguing is mute.

And that's only the direct wage - feel free to add on the fringe costs of benefits which is usually 30%+. Not to mention the value of their unique Disney perks.

Don't worry, the mythical, magical target will always keep moving.

They have to keep moving the goalposts as it exposes their fundamentally nonsensical position once there is an actual number to debate.

Better to keep it theoretical and distract with meaningless shouts of "greedy corporations" and "slavery!!!!".

 

[ImperfectPixie]

And that's only the direct wage - feel free to add on the fringe costs of benefits which is usually 30%+. Not to mention the value of their unique Disney perks.

Don't worry, the mythical, magical target will always keep moving.....

Only as long as corporations keep trying to find ways to cheat their employees out of pay and benefits they deserve.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

WDW jobs start at $15 an hour (dishwashers and quick service) and many start a few dollars above that ($17 for housekeeping, $18 for bus driver, etc)… sounds like they already paying a living wage so all this arguing is mute.

Correct, after many years they are finally getting close to it! Which is good.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

And that's only the direct wage - feel free to add on the fringe costs of benefits which is usually 30%+. Not to mention the value of their unique Disney perks.

You mean benefits like health care?

What “unique Disney perks”?

 

[MisterPenguin]

WDW jobs start at $15 an hour (dishwashers and quick service) and many start a few dollars above that ($17 for housekeeping, $18 for bus driver, etc)… sounds like they already paying a living wage so all this arguing is mute.

Which only came about because of unions. (And in CA, it was state law.)

And it's been inching higher due to labor shortage demand.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Which only came about because of unions. (And in CA, it was state law.)

And it's been inching higher due to labor shortage demand.

MA will be there soon, too. $14.25 currently, with $15 being the goal (and I HOPE they make sure it keeps up with the cost of living).

 

[JoeCamel]

MA will be there soon, too. $14.25 currently, with $15 being the goal (and I HOPE they make sure it keeps up with the cost of living).

Then you have to tack on $1.50 to that. Inflation reset is here

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Then you have to tack on $1.50 to that. Inflation reset is here

Yeah, I know.

 

[natatomic]

Most people (who are into defining policy terms) define living wage as enough money after a 40 work week 52 weeks a year with enough money to pay for food and a roof over your head. A living wage does not include:

• Restaurants or ordered food.
• Entertainment or vacations
• Savings or investment

It also doesn't include things like internet access, phone, car, fuel etc.

Now this number varies state to state. Federal minimum wage is still $7.25. Using some online publications, you'll see some different numbers by state (which you can break down further if you wish).

• NJ - Living wage is 18.22, Poverty Wage is 6.19 for 1 Adult - Fam of four two working adults it's 27.07/6.37 an hour.
• KS - It's 14.88/6.19 for 1 adult and 21.48/6.37 for 2 adults 2 kids both working

Living Wage Calculator

livingwage.mit.edu

Not sure how up to date it is.

So living in NJ your average living wage is $37.9k a year.
In Kansas it's $30,950

In NJ the minimum wage is $13.00/hr
In KS the minimum wage is $7.25/hr

Just numbers for reference.

I took a sociology class in college some…15ish years ago. One assignment was to calculate what minimum amount of money one could live off of for one month. The professor made it clear that this amount was to be the BARE MINIMUM you needed to survive…nothing more. Not the amount needed to live comfortably. The amount needed to live period. Got that? Suuuurrrrvive and that’s it.

I hope I made myself clear in the instructions, just as I felt the instructor did…but did that stop half the class from missing the entire point? NOPE! I don’t remember the specific minimum amount I came up with, although it was definitely one of the lowest in the class (I was imagining my wardrobe consisting of nothing other than a 5 pack of plain white Hanes tshirts, to give you an idea). But I definitely remember these three girls who argued that they could NOT live on anything less than $300 a month for new clothes ALONE! It didn’t matter what anyone else said, nope, these girls were convinced it was impossible to survive if their clothing budget was less than $300 in a single month. Granted, I’m pretty frugal, but I don’t think I spend $300 a year on my wardrobe (which is admittedly pretty low for a woman, but I digress). The crazy thing I couldn’t wrap my mind around (aside from the obvious) was that all three of these girls had at some point in the year let it be known that they were first generation college students, one had become a single teenage mother at 15 (I believe her son was 4 at the time of the class, which meant she was 19 then), and not one of them came from money. The juxtaposition of their imaginary minimal amounts of money for them to live off of vs what they probably actually DID live off of was…concerning. And confusing.

And while those three had the “craziest” notion of what the bare minimum to survive meant, far more kids were on the unreasonable (in my opinion) end of the assignment than the reasonable ones. You know, people who claimed cable and HBO (pre-streaming obviously) - heck even just a television! - were necessities…eating at restaurants multiple nights a week, high end make-up, “clubbing” money, monthly salon visits…

I dunno, it was my first glimpse into what my generation truly considered “necessary” to survive, and it did not inspire confidence in my peers to ever make wise financial decisions.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I took a sociology class in college some…15ish years ago. One assignment was to calculate what minimum amount of money one could live off of for one month. The professor made it clear that this amount was to be the BARE MINIMUM you needed to survive…nothing more. Not the amount needed to live comfortably. The amount needed to live period. Got that? Suuuurrrrvive and that’s it.

I hope I made myself clear in the instructions, just as I felt the instructor did…but did that stop half the class from missing the entire point? NOPE! I don’t remember the specific minimum amount I came up with, although it was definitely one of the lowest in the class (I was imagining my wardrobe consisting of nothing other than a 5 pack of plain white Hanes tshirts, to give you an idea). But I definitely remember these three girls who argued that they could NOT live on anything less than $300 a month for new clothes ALONE! It didn’t matter what anyone else said, nope, these girls were convinced it was impossible to survive if their clothing budget was less than $300 in a single month. Granted, I’m pretty frugal, but I don’t think I spend $300 a year on my wardrobe (which is admittedly pretty low for a woman, but I digress). The crazy thing I couldn’t wrap my mind around (aside from the obvious) was that all three of these girls had at some point in the year let it be known that they were first generation college students, one had become a single teenage mother at 15 (I believe her son was 4 at the time of the class, which meant she was 19 then), and not one of them came from money. The juxtaposition of their imaginary minimal amounts of money for them to live off of vs what they probably actually DID live off of was…concerning. And confusing.

And while those three had the “craziest” notion of what the bare minimum to survive meant, far more kids were on the unreasonable (in my opinion) end of the assignment than the reasonable ones. You know, people who claimed cable and HBO (pre-streaming obviously) - heck even just a television! - were necessities…eating at restaurants multiple nights a week, high end make-up, “clubbing” money, monthly salon visits…

I dunno, it was my first glimpse into what my generation truly considered “necessary” to survive, and it did not inspire confidence in my peers to ever make wise financial decisions.

Young people generally have absolutely zero clue what their desired lifestyle costs because they've just never had to think about it much. My younger sister lived at home until she was 28 and got married and bought a house, and she was floored by how expensive everything is because our mother had been supporting her for so long - she even lived at home while she went to college. (She was very spoiled growing up...expensive clothes because she wouldn't stand for less even though our mother was broke, etc.)

 

[JD80]

So I'm taking this screed as you have given up on defining what your "living wage" specifically is and how that would actually work in reality. Got it.

lol ok