Disney workers robbed leaving work at the cast member parking lot at MK

[Mr Bill]

"And the alternative when they're leaving their near-minimum wage job at the end of their shift is?"

This is the post I was replying to, what does their pay level has to do with anything is the question I have? I read it as a their pay must have limited their choice to walking thus opening them up to the crime, my point was that is not true.

I could have elaborated but my point wasn't that they can't necessarily afford a car, but with living so close to work they probably don't need one and don't need any of the additional expenses that come along with one. The poster was suggesting that people shouldn't be walking home with their phones in their pockets at 1 in the morning. I'm just trying to figure out the alternatives. Proximity would be one reason for not driving, cost would be another. Hell, one of the robberies happened on Disney property so it's possible the Cast Member was walking back to their car when it happened. Maybe I didn't word it in the best way possible initially but it seemed like there was an attempt to shift the blame towards the victims of the crime, employees just trying to get home at the end of their workday, and I found that unsettling.

 

[Walt is angry]

Bingo. Not sure how this can be Disney's fault, or how an increase in Disney Security in the employee parking lots could have stopped these muggings.

Metro Orlando has one of the highest per capita crime rates in the nation, and made the 25 Most Dangerous Cities in America list again, etc., etc. It's been that way for years and years. The adjoining city of Kissimmee also has a very high per capita crime rate. These are not safe cities to wander around in, and the CM's who were mugged on their walk back to the apartments at 1:00 AM need to be aware of that.

If there's any responsibility Disney has in this, about the only thing I can think of is it would be nice if Disney could provide training and communication to their CM's on behaviors to use to avoid being the victim of a crime. Walking along a road at 1:00 AM in a statistically very high crime area with an expensive cell phone in your pocket is not a good behavior, unfortunately. Thankfully no one was injured or killed!

What? Disney, a multi national kingpin of companies whose CEO makes in excess of 35 million per year vs. Employees making minimum wage and you defend the corporation? Good luck to us all when we achieve the same fate the Romans, Greeks and Mayans.

Greed has to be called out!

 

[BigTxEars]

That would be a step in the right direction.

So income should be a determining factor in who is a crime victim? It's OK to rob the wealthy, they deserve it for being successful.

You work for the federal government by chance?

 

[BigTxEars]

I could have elaborated but my point wasn't that they can't necessarily afford a car, but with living so close to work they probably don't need one and don't need any of the additional expenses that come along with one. The poster was suggesting that people shouldn't be walking home with their phones in their pockets at 1 in the morning. I'm just trying to figure out the alternatives. Proximity would be one reason for not driving, cost would be another. Hell, one of the robberies happened on Disney property so it's possible the Cast Member was walking back to their car when it happened. Maybe I didn't word it in the best way possible initially but it seemed like there was an attempt to shift the blame towards the victims of the crime, employees just trying to get home at the end of their workday, and I found that unsettling.

My fault, I miss read your post. Sorry, no offense meant

 

[Andrew C]

What? Disney, a multi national kingpin of companies whose CEO makes in excess of 35 million per year vs. Employees making minimum wage and you defend the corporation? Good luck to us all when we achieve the same fate the Romans, Greeks and Mayans.

Greed has to be called out!

Grrrr...blame the big bad business. They probably even hired someone to rob these CM's

 

[Walt is angry]

So income should be a determining factor in who is a crime victim? It's OK to rob the wealthy, they deserve it for being successful.

You work for the federal government by chance?

Lol. I'm a small business owner but I don't live in Texas! BTW, you ever hear of that hero Robin Hood?

 

[BigTxEars]

What? Disney, a multi national kingpin of companies whose CEO makes in excess of 35 million per year vs. Employees making minimum wage and you defend the corporation? Good luck to us all when we achieve the same fate the Romans, Greeks and Mayans.

Greed has to be called out!

Oh Lordy.......

Just for the record I don't think anyone should be robbed. If fact I am fine with the robbers of anybody getting a couple of rounds in the ole belly during the crime.

But you trying to justify the income someone has being a factor in them deserving to be a crime victim or not is nothing but class envy on your part. You want to tear apart a society, let class envy take hold......

And was exactly is Walt angry BTW? Seems he had a pretty fat bank account is his day as well......

 

[BigTxEars]

Lol. I'm a small business owner but I don't live in Texas! BTW, you ever hear of that hero Robin Hood?

You mean the fictional one? Who fought against excessive unfair taxes? Yeah I recall him, he was a little fox right?

How much do you pay your employees BTW?

You should move here, it's awesome

 

[Jrn14]

Lol at acting like the apartment building across the street from the Magic Kingdom employee lot is like 8 mile and nobody should ever venture there out of fear...One should not expect to get robbed there it's not a high crime area

 

[Andrew C]

Lol at acting like the apartment building across the street from the Magic Kingdom employee lot is like 8 mile and nobody should ever venture there out of fear...One should not expect to get robbed there it's not a high crime area

well....no one ever really expects to get robbed...but it sure does suck when it happens

 

[Walt is angry]

Oh Lordy.......

Just for the record I don't think anyone should be robbed. If fact I am fine with the robbers of anybody getting a couple of rounds in the ole belly during the crime.

But you trying to justify the income someone has being a factor in them deserving to be a crime victim or not is nothing but class envy on your part. You want to tear apart a society, let class envy take hold......

And was exactly is Walt angry BTW? Seems he had a pretty fat bank account is his day as well......

Walt would be angry that money now trumps imagination..gee, that was simple.

Walt made money, yes. But he also did it by putting his own money where his mouth was, much to Roy's chagrin. Does Iger ever risk anything?

 

[englanddg]

Lol. I'm a small business owner but I don't live in Texas! BTW, you ever hear of that hero Robin Hood?

Robin Hood is a story of a group of patriotic rebels who were fighting against oppressive government taxation and an oppressive oligarchy led by a temporary monarch who was attempting to usurp the throne from the rightful King Richard in his absence.

 

[Andrew C]

Just for the record I think all people should behave with respect towards each other and those with more should gladly help those with less. That's what Jesus would do, right?

Walt would be angry that money now trumps imagination..gee, that was simple.

Walt made money, yes. But he also did it by putting his own money where his mouth was, much to Roy's chagrin. Does Iger ever risk anything?

He is taking a risk by building Pandora....bahah

 

[BigTxEars]

He is taking a risk by building Pandora....bahah

Indeed.

 

[Jrn14]

I just mean we shouldn't blame the cast members for getting robbed by acting like they were carelessly roaming some known ghetto flashing wads of $20 bills. ..people are saying they are to blame for walking like less than a quarter mile with a phone in their pocket. ..give me a break

 

[BigTxEars]

Just for the record I think all people should behave with respect towards each other and those with more should gladly help those with less. That's what Jesus would do, right?

Walt would be angry that money now trumps imagination..gee, that was simple.

Walt made money, yes. But he also did it by putting his own money where his mouth was, much to Roy's chagrin. Does Iger ever risk anything?

And if those with more don't feel they should help those with less you are think it should be taken from them to do so? I mean that would be a step in the right direction correct?

I thought charity was optional....

And you, nor I have any ideal how WD would feel about Disney today. The company is so far removed and the world so vastly different than when he was alive is it a falsehood to try and say we do. He might approve or disapprove of the way Disney is being run today. Who knows.

 

[BigTxEars]

I just mean we shouldn't blame the cast members for getting robbed by acting like they were carelessly roaming some known ghetto flashing wads of $20 bills. ..people are saying they are to blame for walking like less than a quarter mile with a phone in their pocket. ..give me a break

If I implied that it was not intentional, I just think Disney is not responsible. Of course this all started going south when the CM pay was brought up as if that had anything to do with the crime.

 

[Jrn14]

I just think it's an unpleasant coincidence. ..not Disney's fault ..Def not the cast members fault..now Disney can increase security a little. .cast can be on the lookout and hopefully it won't happen again. If it keeps happening. ..Disney will have to really step up

 

[BigTxEars]

I just think it's an unpleasant coincidence. ..not Disney's fault ..Def not the cast members fault..now Disney can increase security a little. .cast can be on the lookout and hopefully it won't happen again. If it keeps happening. ..Disney will have to really step up

How often does it happen? I don't keep up with things like this but it seems to have made the news which I would think means it's rare. But I am sure WDW will take steps they feel are warrented.

 

[Walt is angry]

And if those with more don't feel they should help those with less you are think it should be taken from them to do so? I mean that would be a start right?

I thought charity was optional....

And you, nor I have any ideal how WD would feel about Disney today. The company is so far removed and the world so vastly different than when he was alive is it a falsehood to try and say we do. He might approve or disapprove of the way Disney is being run today. Who knows.

About this your absolutely correct. We have no way of reasonably ascertaining how Walt would feel about these life and times in the 21st century, per se. But Walt was a dreamer, not a business man. He wanted to make money to be sure, but that was never what drove him. These are facts that can be easily discerned. He believed that a quality product would bring him success so he never worried about failure (Roy did).

But back to our other disagreements, we fundamentally disagree. I pay my employees far more than my competitors and I make marginally less (I believe) than they do. But I have loyalty and I never worry about my employees dropping the ball and my future is bright while they always have to worry about turnover, shoddy work, etc. I make a bit less but sleep very well at night.

Regarding taxes. I pay because it's a privilege to live in the greatest country on earth and while things are far from perfect they are a damn sight better than anywhere else. Taxes? So what. If I hated them I'd move.

Andrew C. Not sure what you are referencing but Pandora, for now, has the chance to put Disney back on the imaginative map. Something they've not had in while. But perhaps I'm missing a Walt inference?