Disney workers approve contract

[Wilt Dasney]

Could you please get over yourself already? Everything is NOT about YOU!!!Although you may believe that it is.

You just spent two posts practically fellating yourself for your own brilliance. Brad types two sentences in response and he's the egomaniac. Makes sense to me.

 

[longfamily]

So then this really IS about seperating the "classes" of people, as was stated previously then? Hmmm, seems like I have been singing that song for quite some time now. How class envy and the seperation of classes is what is REALLY going on in some of these cases. Now, suddenly, some here want the little guy to fend for himself, and not be represented to the same degree as the skilled workers are represented. I'm sure that the so called "unskilled" cms at Disney will love reading about this from some of you.

Also seems that I have been saying for a long time that individually people do have more empowerment than they do together (read union). Seems like you are all coming over to my side of things now. But, why throw them under the bus now? Because you didn't get what you wanted in this latest deal, so someone has to be blamed? So, it's the "unskilled" cms fault for this? Is that what you are saying out there?

Does this mean that representation would be based on your "investment" in the union? Hmmm, where have I heard this type of theory floated and talked about in recent months? Let's see. Health care? Invididual retirement accounts? (savings accounts with your employer). Gee, and I thought everyone was against me on these issues here.

Welcome to the party guys.

I'm not entirely sure that this is specifically what I was getting at. My point was that different types of employee qualifications (or skills for this thread) should be represented differently. The pyrotechnics engineer has a skill that was aquired through schooling and apprenticeship. He/she would require different (notice I didn't say "better") representation during contract negotiations because he/she has a valued skill. The preztel stand worker does not need any certification or apprenticeship/internship to qualify for his/her position. These jobs are often held by college students who are interning at Disney for credit, high school students, elderly, seasonal workers, adults with no formal degree or certification, or those with degrees or certifications that are using Disney as a stop over, ect. These people sign onto Disney at entry level positions, positions that could be filled by any 16-18 yr. old. If these people require representation it should be different than that of the skilled positions. Likewise, the entertainment division should be covered by a seperate entity because entertainers are responsible for the success of a show, rehearsals, costumes, make-up, and the physical demands of the job including performing during illness and weight gain. There are several unions in this country that cover entertainers and because of their unique job requirements they SHOULD NOT be treated the same as the popcorn salesman. This is not a class system, this is common sense.
The unions that currently serve the employees of Disney should be revamped to maximize the benefits for it's members. Likewise, some positions were not created to be a career choice. For people in those positions, it's important to realize that they will eventually out grow those positions and will need a skill to continue with the company. It's also important to note that it is difficult to gain additional benefits for an expendable position. This is why dependence on an outside agency for the unskilled worker is tricky, It may be better to go it alone.

 

[HennieBogan1966]

First of all, Imagineer Boy, if you don't like the water, get out of the pool. Can 't be more clear than that. Secondly Speck, what do you mean by "different" representation? Please clarify that comment so that I can respond to it more clearly for you.

Thanks,

Brian

 

[longfamily]

First of all, Imagineer Boy, if you don't like the water, get out of the pool. Can 't be more clear than that. Secondly Speck, what do you mean by "different" representation? Please clarify that comment so that I can respond to it more clearly for you.

Thanks,

Brian

Not to get into your little arguement but I addressed very clearly what "different representation" means in the post right above your most recent post. Speck can answer this for himself if he cares to, but earlier he and I agreed on this subject matter to a cetain extent if you care to read what I had to say about it.

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Well first of all Wilt, I am brilliant. Thanks for noticing. As for any of my comments regarding anyone else, it's up to them to refute them. Which, I believe Speck did, by acknowledging, that indeed, to him, it was all about him. So, I'll just leave it at that. (and yes, I know he was just being sarcastic: guess what? so was I).

As for seperate representation: Isn't that in fact seperating people based on class? For example, as has been noted, actors, engineers, etc., will make much more money than janitors, guest room services, etc. So, if we take this on its merits, we ARE going to seperate people, and the representation they get, based on their class. Whew, Thank God for free elections. Would hate to think you didn't get to vote, because you didn't make enough money. Or that the representation you got with a vote was less, because again, you don't make enough money. You guys are proving all my points about several Disney-related issues here.

Thanks much!!!!

And yes Wilt, I AM BRILLIANT!!!

 

[longfamily]

Well first of all Wilt, I am brilliant. Thanks for noticing. As for any of my comments regarding anyone else, it's up to them to refute them. Which, I believe Speck did, by acknowledging, that indeed, to him, it was all about him. So, I'll just leave it at that. (and yes, I know he was just being sarcastic: guess what? so was I).

As for seperate representation: Isn't that in fact seperating people based on class? For example, as has been noted, actors, engineers, etc., will make much more money than janitors, guest room services, etc. So, if we take this on its merits, we ARE going to seperate people, and the representation they get, based on their class. Whew, Thank God for free elections. Would hate to think you didn't get to vote, because you didn't make enough money. Or that the representation you got with a vote was less, because again, you don't make enough money. You guys are proving all my points about several Disney-related issues here.

Thanks much!!!!

And yes Wilt, I AM BRILLIANT!!!

Missed the boat again....
If you would like to look at this as class seperation, okay but not based on money. A class can be defined as a group sharing the same attributes. In this case we are talking about seperating classes of skilled, unskilled, and entertainment employees in order to make sure that each group recieves the maximum benefits for their specific needs. One group has seperate needs than the other groups and vice versa. Each group should be handled differently so that no one is left out of the negotiation process if in fact it is needed at any specific time for a specific group.

This doesn't prove any of your points, but you already knew that because you're brilliant

 

[Wilt Dasney]

I've seen plenty of examples of your brilliance. Within the last few minutes, you've made a post in one thread asserting your right to free expression after someone challenged you while essentially telling me to butt out in this one because you didn't care for my response to something you said in a public forum.

You're the world's biggest proponent of free expression so long as you're the one doing the expressing. When people challenge you, you somehow manage to become misunderstood or a martyr for the First Amendment, unless you just decide to tell someone to stay out of public discussions that don't involve them, whichever one suits your situation at the moment.

Brilliant you are indeed, sir. I raise a glass to you. Just beware that gag reflex.

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Well Wilt

I do not shy away from the debate of expression. So long as you have something intelligent to say on the subject. Againl, having just posted on a thread about civility, that's the only comment I will make towards you. After all, you did lob the first grenade here.

Now, I wholly understand the FACT that people will have differing views on various subjects, but what I am responding to here is the FACT that some on this particular subject want to divide people based on their monetary background, and/or class. We aren't talking about the dictionary version, or literal if you will, interpretation of the word class. You all know where I'm coming from on this issue. Look at your views as being "graduated union representation". In other words, you get what you pay for. Not saying that I have a problem with that view. Just saying admit to us all that's what it is. Don't attempt to hide behind the viewpoint that "skilled" and "unskilled" labor "deserve" different values of representation within the union structure.

If you as a "skilled" worker want better representation than the "unskilled" worker, just admit that's what you want. Just say, hey you "unskilled" workers don't get the same representation that I do, because your job is considered "unskilled labor".

Let me ask this. Do any of you out there feel that all union members should pay the same dues? Or should the dues be based on how much you make?


Now, lastly, I welcome any and all views. It doesn't mean that I am going to argree with them. And you know what? I have that right too. Everyone has a right to voice their views. What I find interesting is how "I" tend to get labeled by some of the very people who "claim" to be enlightened, and "above it all", if you will. If the shoe fits........