Disney workers approve contract

[phlydude]

Same crap as the prior two votes... only difference is this time many ballots were pre-checked 'yes', and many cast members were told they wouldn't have a job if they voted no. They were basically misled, and forced to vote yes. Had they had the real truth, it might have been different.

Sounds like a NLRB (National Labor Relations Board) issue to me. If that came my way, I would be calling them in an instant.

When it comes down to it at the end of the day, the union can only negotiate with the employer. There are no guarantees that the employer is going to make any concessions as demanded by the union. Eventually it comes down to settling on a deal that works out to be the best deal for the union, not the employees. Now don't get me wrong, unions are needed to ensure those working hard are protected in case of injury and are compensated for their more hard work - at least for some occupations (drivers, maintenance, electrical, plumbing, etc.) but there are also some that really don't need this type of representation (store personnel, reservations staff, hotel workers, etc) as there is plenty of existing business in these fields that do fine without union representation.

Unions were brought up as a result of employers overworking and underpaying their employees. Once the US Labor laws came into play, alot of dangers that existed previously were now controlled by a federal law.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Actually, many of those things are covered under federal law, not union.

So you wanna try again?

Can you site the law? Exactly which part of the United States Code, annotated, do those fall under?

 

[Scooter]

Did anyone here actually think that Disney management would LOSE in this deal or that there would REALLY be a strike?

If so, I got some swampland in Florida and a Bridge in Brooklyn for sale if you're interested. :hammer:

 

[boo52]

Can you site the law? Exactly which part of the United States Code, annotated, do those fall under?

I think he is reading from Law books he may have written.

you could be fired for the most minor of instances WITHOUT any kind of grievence procedure, NO overtime UNTIL you hit 40 hours, NO guarentee of 32 hours, NO protection of Layoffs. Need I list more?

You can be fired for clocking 1 minute late. There is no federal law against being fired for being 1 minute late, but the union has prvisions in the contract that prevent that. There is no federal law that says that a company MUST have a grievence process. There is no federal law stating that FUll Time workers MUST have no less than 32 hours. There is no federal law that says companies must pay OT on your 6th day or 7th day even if your not at 4o hours. Or even Double Time!!. Admit it, you have no clue as to what your talking about.

 

[Bagheera]

Same crap as the prior two votes... only difference is this time many ballots were pre-checked 'yes', and many cast members were told they wouldn't have a job if they voted no. They were basically misled, and forced to vote yes. Had they had the real truth, it might have been different.

Don't forget the fact that Disney said that they weren't going to extend the contract, and would impose the health care cost increases anyway, but without the pay raises.

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Wow!!!!

Sounds like a good deal to me. A 1500 bonus in the first year, 20 cents an hour increase. Let's see, I got an adjustment on my pay this year to actually reflect what others within my company make in the same position make. That was 19 cents/hr for me. First pay raise of any kind that I have experienced in, geez, I can't remember the last actual RAISE that I got. And this for someone who has missed a grand total of 3 days of work in the past 8-10 years due to health issues, is always on time, stays late when needed, works as hard as anyone in the company. So, I'm looking at this deal, and wishing I could get a piece of that $1500 action. As well as the pay raise. As for health insurance, I can seek outside vendors for that. In other words, CAPITALISM. Search for the best deal for yourself.

And Speck, you asked a question regarding when skilled workers would realize that the non-skilled workers are essentially receiving the same representation, which may not be the best deal for the skilled workers. So could we surmize that you are saying they should cast aside the unskilled workers in order to provide themselves with better opportunities? Hmmm, sounds familiar. Let's see, cast aside the little guy so I can get a better deal for myself. WAIT A MINUTE!!! I thought the unions were about PROTECTING the little guy. Now you think they should be cast aside? Shame on you Speck.

 

[speck76]

And Speck, you asked a question regarding when skilled workers would realize that the non-skilled workers are essentially receiving the same representation, which may not be the best deal for the skilled workers. So could we surmize that you are saying they should cast aside the unskilled workers in order to provide themselves with better opportunities? Hmmm, sounds familiar. Let's see, cast aside the little guy so I can get a better deal for myself. WAIT A MINUTE!!! I thought the unions were about PROTECTING the little guy. Now you think they should be cast aside? Shame on you Speck.

Shame on me?

Who ever said unions are about protecting the little guy?

The skilled workers should create their own unions, and get rid of the unskilled workers that can be easily replaced (Churro vendors and the like). If the churro vendors wanted to start their own union, so be it.

 

[Thelazer]

That bounus was only for "Topped" out workers. The majorty of us, are not topped out and as such did not get the bounus. Just a raise.

Where were the ballots pre-checked "yes"?
It didn't happen at my voting location.

 

[Scooter]

Shame on me?

Who ever said unions are about protecting the little guy?

The skilled workers should create their own unions, and get rid of the unskilled workers that can be easily replaced (Churro vendors and the like). If the churro vendors wanted to start their own union, so be it.

Ut oh...


..I feel a storm coming on. :lookaroun

 

[Yen_Sid1]

Sounds like a good deal to me. A 1500 bonus in the first year, 20 cents an hour increase. Let's see, I got an adjustment on my pay this year to actually reflect what others within my company make in the same position make. That was 19 cents/hr for me. First pay raise of any kind that I have experienced in, geez, I can't remember the last actual RAISE that I got. And this for someone who has missed a grand total of 3 days of work in the past 8-10 years due to health issues, is always on time, stays late when needed, works as hard as anyone in the company. So, I'm looking at this deal, and wishing I could get a piece of that $1500 action. As well as the pay raise. As for health insurance, I can seek outside vendors for that. In other words, CAPITALISM. Search for the best deal for yourself.

WOW! You must be really good at negotiating your own deal. I would hate for the evil unions to get you a pay raise every year!!

 

[longfamily]

There shouldn't be a firestorm, Speck is right. Unions were not created for the little guy. They were created for the larger group and often time the benefits aren't worth it to the "little guy" as we have seen in the current climate.

That being said, skilled workers have a valued trade. Unskilled workers can easily be replaced. Why put the groups together? Would you put a McDonald's worker into the same group as an engineer? Of course not. This is the point of having two different types of unions represent the skilled and unskilled labor at Disney. I would even go so far as adding the Equity union to represent the entertainers at Disney as they have different need than the rest of the group as well.

 

[speck76]

There shouldn't be a firestorm, Speck is right. Unions were not created for the little guy. They were created for the larger group and often time the benefits aren't worth it to the "little guy" as we have seen in the current climate.

That being said, skilled workers have a valued trade. Unskilled workers can easily be replaced. Why put the groups together? Would you put a McDonald's worker into the same group as an engineer? Of course not. This is the point of having two different types of unions represent the skilled and unskilled labor at Disney. I would even go so far as adding the Equity union to represent the entertainers at Disney as they have different need than the rest of the group as well.

Exactly.

Even if this would mean WDW had 10 unions, they should not have to give the same benifits to two "classes" of workers. Those who learned a trade, invested in their career by paying for an advanced education, are being hurt by those who did not. (and those who did not are riding the coat-tails of those who did).

 

[longfamily]

Also, for those who have not recieved a pay raise in years, ask for one. If you believe that you are entitled to a raise, ask for a raise. If you are denied a raise, at that point check your original contract. Does it state in your contract that raises would occur every 6 months or anything of that nature? Does it state that you are ever entitled to a raise? Do you need to qualify for a raise? What are the qualifications? It is an unfair world. If you want something, often times you must seek it out for yourself. You shouldn't need to depend on an outside agency to get you what you need unless all other routes have been taken first. And even then, if this is your choice of career, there is ample proof that in 20 years you will only have a $1 raise from your beginning salary. Can you support yourself or your family on this amount of money in the long run? Is this job really what is right for you?

 

[HennieBogan1966]

So then this really IS about seperating the "classes" of people, as was stated previously then? Hmmm, seems like I have been singing that song for quite some time now. How class envy and the seperation of classes is what is REALLY going on in some of these cases. Now, suddenly, some here want the little guy to fend for himself, and not be represented to the same degree as the skilled workers are represented. I'm sure that the so called "unskilled" cms at Disney will love reading about this from some of you.

Also seems that I have been saying for a long time that individually people do have more empowerment than they do together (read union). Seems like you are all coming over to my side of things now. But, why throw them under the bus now? Because you didn't get what you wanted in this latest deal, so someone has to be blamed? So, it's the "unskilled" cms fault for this? Is that what you are saying out there?

Does this mean that representation would be based on your "investment" in the union? Hmmm, where have I heard this type of theory floated and talked about in recent months? Let's see. Health care? Invididual retirement accounts? (savings accounts with your employer). Gee, and I thought everyone was against me on these issues here.

Welcome to the party guys.

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Hey Long

Thanks for agreeing with me. You shouldn't have to depend on "outside agencies" to make your life better. NO UNIONS< NO GOVERNMENT PROGRAM.

Thanks again for the assist on this one. In other words. I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!

 

[speck76]

So then this really IS about seperating the "classes" of people, as was stated previously then? Hmmm, seems like I have been singing that song for quite some time now. How class envy and the seperation of classes is what is REALLY going on in some of these cases. Now, suddenly, some here want the little guy to fend for himself, and not be represented to the same degree as the skilled workers are represented. I'm sure that the so called "unskilled" cms at Disney will love reading about this from some of you.

Also seems that I have been saying for a long time that individually people do have more empowerment than they do together (read union). Seems like you are all coming over to my side of things now. But, why throw them under the bus now? Because you didn't get what you wanted in this latest deal, so someone has to be blamed? So, it's the "unskilled" cms fault for this? Is that what you are saying out there?

Does this mean that representation would be based on your "investment" in the union? Hmmm, where have I heard this type of theory floated and talked about in recent months? Let's see. Health care? Invididual retirement accounts? (savings accounts with your employer). Gee, and I thought everyone was against me on these issues here.

Welcome to the party guys.

Is this directed at me? Do you even think I work at WDW, or would work in an hourly job?......

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Speck

Could you please get over yourself already? Everything is NOT about YOU!!!Although you may believe that it is.

 

[speck76]

Could you please get over yourself already? Everything is NOT about YOU!!!Although you may believe that it is.

No.

 

[HennieBogan1966]

I think that one word speaks volumes about you.

 

[imagineer boy]

oh for the love of.... Speck, Hennie, Will you just drop this stupid pointless arguement! :fork: I'm getting very annoyed by it.