Disney Testing Metal Detectors, Screening Devices

[ILOVEDISNEY]

Originally posted by TAC
IT WILL BE A VERY SAD DAY IF AMERICA FORGETS 9/11!

Obviously, the world has already forgotten the death camps of WWII. There has been an dramatic increase of anti-semitic incidents in Germany and other European countries due to the United States support of Israel and general dislike for our culture by a certain religious group that thinks everyone is the devil except them. I have to say I was very uncomfortable being around what I perceived as members of their religion at WDW. I hate those rags and scarves they wear. When in Rome . . . .

Can WWIII be far off?

 

[Shaman]

Originally posted by ILOVEDISNEY
Obviously, the world has already forgotten the death camps of WWII. There has been an dramatic increase of anti-semitic incidents in Germany and other European countries due to the United States support of Israel and general dislike for our culture by a certain religious group that thinks everyone is the devil except them. Can WWIII be far off?

Lets not open Pandora's box...

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Why whats wrong with Pandoras box? It may be very attractive, especially to Tiggers.


The whole point of these detectors is not security anyway, its so as Eisner can check all that loose change coming into the park making its way into the penny presses.

 

[JBSLJames]

They have had these at PKI for over a year and the lines haven't been out of the normal. I had a pocket knife keychain that it picked up the first time we went and I had to 'check' the knife at a security station for the duration of the visit.

I have not brought that back since.

If these keep someone from bringing something into the parks, then it is worth it.

I know privacy has been diminished since 9/11, but in the greater effort to provide some sense of security. . .I'm all for it.

 

[Shaman]

Originally posted by Pumbas Nakasak
Why whats wrong with Pandoras box? It may be very attractive, especially to Tiggers.

*opens Pandora's box and peers in*

*quickly closes it*

Nope...lets keep it closed...

:lookaroun

 

[JBSLJames]

Wait now, I've seen :lookaroun Pandora's box and it wasn't so bad.















Or was that Pia Zadora's box?

:hammer:

 

[Thrawn]

I think its a good step, only problem is this: someone could walk into the lobby of a hotel, say Yacht Club since there are a lot of rooms right there, completely loaded with explosives and blow himself up. Or worse yet, load up a big old SUV and drive it right up under the unloading area at the front of the YC and blow it ... doing so with a car full of explosives is going to do a lot more damage that just someone with some c4 strapped to him.

Oh well, two days ago you guys were going "the bag check does nothing, its only to make people feel better". Now that Disney takes this step, or is at least looking into it, theres something wrong with that too ... it really doesnt matter to me if they have nothing, because if the terrorist is going to plan enough, theres nothing Disney could do about it. I don't carry a bag, so no wait for me there, and I'm going through the gate anyway, so whats an extra few minutes in a line I was already standing in?

 

[PhotoDave219]

Originally posted by TAC
IT WILL BE A VERY SAD DAY IF AMERICA FORGETS 9/11!

Did you have a loved one run for their life outside a building in DC or NYC? Did you have anyone come into their office and yell "Get Out Now. Run, there's a plane running for the building" ?

Unless you did, get off you high horse and shut the hell up.

People who werent directly affected love to talk big about America, Patriotism, and Retrubution. Me, i had a friend in tears on the phone, so I dont wanna hear your big, bold talk.

 

[STGRhost]

Sorry for the thread drift, but...

Did you have a loved one run for their life outside a building in DC or NYC? Did you have anyone come into their office and yell "Get Out Now. Run, there's a plane running for the building" ?

Unless you did, get off you high horse and shut the hell up.

People who werent directly affected love to talk big about America, Patriotism, and Retrubution. Me, i had a friend in tears on the phone, so I dont wanna hear your big, bold talk.

:veryconfu Woah....I didn't see anything wrong with that comment. Plus, it was an answer to someone's suggestion that things will be better if we ~forget~ 9/11. Why not get mad about that, too?

While I don't doubt that you were deeply affected by 9/11, you don't ~own~ that tragedy. You have no idea how it affected other people, whether they were actually in NYC or not, so I don't understand why you think you can manage how other people feel about it. And, again, I really don't see where that comment was particularly offensive.

 

[Michael72688]

They used metal detectors at HHN and it took the same amount of time to get in that it would have with out them

 

[Tim G]

Originally posted by DMC-12
My exact thought!!! And the security folks become more of jerks... I have to empty my pockets.... so thats all my change... my camera, my phone... my car keys... money clip... ugh... I avoid flying so I dont have to deal with the long security issues... Not liking this idea.

So you rather would like to keep security the same way as it is now?

The security at this moment is there for YOU and not for the protection of the parks...

The advantage of a electronic/magnetic system is that you're able to use different security levels...

 

[Michael72688]

yea it is very obvious that the security they have now is not for the parks, infact I think it is just supposed to make you feel safer and thats about it! Well Disney is good at the art of illusion, right?

 

[HennieBogan1966]

Suffice it to say that 9/11 changed not only America, but the entire world forever. Having said that, the steps that everyone takes in response to the ongoing threats that DO exist, there will be opinions on both sides of the issue.

If I may, I'd just like to say that NO ONE owns the tragedy and sorrow for 9/11. That would be like saying that Pearl Harbor belonged only to those directly affected by the events of that day.
I would hope that there would still, and always be, a continuing connection of all of us who are citizens of the U.S. who watched in horror and grief, the events of 9/11. It shouldn't be a reason to be drawn apart, but to be drawn together.

Having said all that, I am glad that Disney is taking further steps to try their best to protect the guests that allow them to exist thru their patronage of the various Disney parks. We speak at length on these boards regarding updating technology in rides, attractions, events, etc.. Why then would anyone dislike the advancement in technology of protecting people in this country, especially at Theme Parks. And as far as the "time" issue is concerned, I don't understand that either. You're going to argue to me that you would sacrifice the safety of yourself and your children, to gain a few more minutes of "ride time?". If so, then you should really examine your own priorities in life.

I applaud the folks at Disney for recognizing that ANY part of their business can always be improved, including the safety and protection of their guests.


Thank you all at WDW Management!!!!

 

[no2apprentice]

If Disney does go to walk-thru detectors, be ready for a longer wait than you've ever seen at baggage checks.

Unless there is a new generation of detectors coming out soon (and there very well could be, for all I know), the best on the market right now can help identify an approximate area on the person that holds a metallic mass large enough to trigger the alarm. Sensitivity is adjustable for the size of mass that will trigger the alarm. If you're going to do it right as far as minimizing delay, if someone triggers the walk-thru, they are pulled aside so the secondary team uses a hand-held "wand" to help in isolating the cause of the trigger. That way, other guests can continue being checked by the walk-thru. And, yes, you'll have to empty all your pockets and take off glasses before passing through. Oh joy.

This must have been a nightmare of a decision to make for admin. There is no way they can do metal detectors without it having an impact on guest satisfaction. There is also the money involved for additional personnel to man the stations.

For those who wanted better security, enjoy the wait in line. For those who didn't want the additional security...enjoy the wait in line. Maybe they can have mimes and jugglers work the crowd waiting in line. That guy at the Hunchback show was really talented.

I just hope they give the proper training to the personnel who man the detectors. If they don't....yikes.

 

[HennieBogan1966]

After having re-read some of the posts on this subject, I have a question for those of you opposed to this idea.

What is YOUR solution? No security at all? Minimal security, (i.e. bag checks), which I might add the last time we were at WDW (Jan. 03), took all of 20-30 secs for my wife. I'm reading a lot of complaints about the "wait" time, as I do for various attractions.
But I'm not reading ANY solutions.

I'm wondering, what happens when someone does make it into the park with a weapon, and causes someone harm. All of you who are complaining about this idea will be the first ones to blame Disney for not having taken these steps, what with 9/11 and all.

You can't have it both ways. I for one applaud the "pre-emption"
on the part of the folks at WDW Corp. It's alarming to me that people care so little about safety and only about getting to that first E-ride before anyone else does.

Slow down people and use some common sense.

 

[maelstrom]

Originally posted by HennieBogan1966
After having re-read some of the posts on this subject, I have a question for those of you opposed to this idea.

What is YOUR solution? No security at all? Minimal security, (i.e. bag checks), which I might add the last time we were at WDW (Jan. 03), took all of 20-30 secs for my wife. I'm reading a lot of complaints about the "wait" time, as I do for various attractions.
But I'm not reading ANY solutions.

I'm wondering, what happens when someone does make it into the park with a weapon, and causes someone harm. All of you who are complaining about this idea will be the first ones to blame Disney for not having taken these steps, what with 9/11 and all.

You can't have it both ways. I for one applaud the "pre-emption"
on the part of the folks at WDW Corp. It's alarming to me that people care so little about safety and only about getting to that first E-ride before anyone else does.

Slow down people and use some common sense.

I don't have a solution, I only know what I feel. And I don't want to see metal detectors at Disney World.

If someone made it into the park with a weapon and hurt someone, I'd be very upset. I'd be upset if someone made it into a resort or onto the ferry and did the same thing, places where there are no security checks. I'm wondering how you are so sure that those opposed to this idea will be the first ones to blame Disney for not having security measure in place. You're generalizing; not everyone would do that, I wouldn't do that. Not everyone is interesting in "getting to the first E-ride before everyone else does". That isn't my goal. That isn't my problem with the metal detectors. Sure, the longer lines would be a hassle, but that isn't my point. As I said in my earlier post, when I go to Disney World, I'm looking to escape the "real world". I don't want to be reminded all the time that someone wants to blow me up. I don't want to live in fear every day of my life.

 

[STGRhost]

maelstrom , I couldn't have said that any better myself!

 

[ToTBellHop]

not everyone would say it was Disney's fault, but you better believe the media would certainly say that, which would vastly hurt Disney, which would hurt the parks, which would hurt us (emotionally ) I can handle waiting an extra 5 minutes to get into the parks if it will make me safer. I don't know how anyone with kids could be opposed to this...should be willing to do anything to protect our kids...just my opinion though.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Originally posted by STGRhost
Sorry for the thread drift, but...



:veryconfu Woah....I didn't see anything wrong with that comment. Plus, it was an answer to someone's suggestion that things will be better if we ~forget~ 9/11. Why not get mad about that, too?

While I don't doubt that you were deeply affected by 9/11, you don't ~own~ that tragedy. You have no idea how it affected other people, whether they were actually in NYC or not, so I don't understand why you think you can manage how other people feel about it. And, again, I really don't see where that comment was particularly offensive.

Well, Living in Illinois i can see how you dont understand. People in NYC and DC understand. Planes werent crashing into your buildings and your friends - It happened to us. Not you, Us. While we don't OWN it per say, when it wasnt your home being attacked, thousands of Miles away from where it happened. You were safe and sound in Middle America while we're seeing what very well might be the apocalypse, live and in person.

So you dont need to remind us with some faux patriotism statement to push forth your agenda of getting whatever it is you want. Thats what the "Never Forget" statements have become. A way to push forth what people want, to scare people into conforming to an agenda.

We're not about to forget. There's no need to remind us.

 

[STGRhost]

Well, Living in Illinois i can see how you dont understand. People in NYC and DC understand. Planes werent crashing into your buildings and your friends - It happened to us. Not you, Us. While we don't OWN it per say, when it wasnt your home being attacked, thousands of Miles away from where it happened. You were safe and sound in Middle America while we're seeing what very well might be the apocalypse, live and in person.

So you dont need to remind us with some faux patriotism statement to push forth your agenda of getting whatever it is you want. Thats what the "Never Forget" statements have become. A way to push forth what people want, to scare people into conforming to an agenda.

We're not about to forget. There's no need to remind us.

Wow. Generalize much? Again, I'd like to point out that you don't KNOW how I was affected by that day, or whether or not I knew anyone directly affected. I'm in Illinois NOW, but that doesn't mean you know where I was, who I was with, etc. on that day. Why would you assume that I can't/don't understand how horrific it was?

And I'd also like to point out that the original post I was defending didn't seem to have any hidden agenda. THAT is my biggest problem with you attcking it. What, then, might have been a more "appropriate" response to someones suggestion that we forget 9/11, and everything will go back to normal?

I can appreciate your concern that 9/11 not be used to further someone's political agenda, but don't you think you're being a little harsh?