Disney statement on Walt Disney World entertainment

MaryJaneP

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Horrible nightmare re: overuse of projections. Every live show is going to be replaced with a screen and a projector. Imagine BatB in HS theater being done by showing the movie multiple times per day. Adventures of the Little Mermaid entirely on screen. Even, gasp, the fireworks eventually being replaced with on screen projections. No more live anything. AHHH! There may not be enough booze on this planet to quell the nightmare that this is precisely the path that WDW will take.
 

Jrb1979

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Horrible nightmare re: overuse of projections. Every live show is going to be replaced with a screen and a projector. Imagine BatB in HS theater being done by showing the movie multiple times per day. Adventures of the Little Mermaid entirely on screen. Even, gasp, the fireworks eventually being replaced with on screen projections. No more live anything. AHHH! There may not be enough booze on this planet to quell the nightmare that this is precisely the path that WDW will take.
Its coming. Disney has been on that path for awhile now. They have been slowly getting rid of live entertainment.
 

DisAl

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once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny...
And while we are at it don't forget their removing TALENTED PEOPLE photo pass photographers and replacing them with those worthless automated pieces of junk. They are cheapening the WDW experience in so many ways I am beginning to wonder if we are seeing the start of a death spiral they will never recover from as there is less and less of what used to make WDW stand out as a special place.
 

Animaniac93-98

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Hoop has had very consistent ‘day of’ availability for the last few years.

I wonder how much of that has to do with last minute no shows as a result of people over planning their days and then not wanting to bother with the hassle of getting to For Wilderness via Disney transport?
 

techgeek

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They are cheapening the WDW experience in so many ways I am beginning to wonder if we are seeing the start of a death spiral they will never recover from as there is less and less of what used to make WDW stand out as a special place.

There are, of course, many here that will not hesitate to inform you that WDW is too big to fail, too profitable, the infrastructure alone is too valuable, that a Disney vacation is too imbedded in the middle class social fabric to ever become irrelevant, that there will never be a lack of audience and that there are always untapped markets for a value engineered product.

Anybody closely watching the Eastman Kodak company in the late ‘90s might have said many of the same things. In the entertainment industry, Blockbuster Video was unstoppable until it failed to adapt in the early 2000’s. Pan Am was a flagship airline for much of the history of aviation until its failure largely as a victim of mismanagement and stagnation.

If you look at historical lists of the Fortune 500, there’s a lot of unrecognizable names. Major companies fail all the time, they merge or fracture or sell off assets or get bought out. Their customer base shifts away from them, for whatever reason, and they fail to shift with it. It’s the height of hubris to assume Disney is immune from those lessons of history. It’s also willful ignorance to believe that the company thats now seemingly pinning all of its future on copying others in the streaming space can succeed there in the long term, and even if it did that it would choose to spend those rewards to re-innovate in its lost core of themed entertainment.
 

techgeek

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I wonder how much of that has to do with last minute no shows as a result of people over planning their days and then not wanting to bother with the hassle of getting to For Wilderness via Disney transport?

I think it’s been very “out of sight / out of mind” for the average guest for decades now. I’ve mentioned it to many people that were surprised to learn it was still running.
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
I think it’s been very “out of sight / out of mind” for the average guest for decades now. I’ve mentioned it to many people that were surprised to learn it was still running.

3 shows a day sounded like a lot to keep up, but you also have to wonder how reliant it was on DDP, even though you needed 2 credits.
 

Basil of Baker Street

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There are, of course, many here that will not hesitate to inform you that WDW is too big to fail, too profitable, the infrastructure alone is too valuable, that a Disney vacation is too imbedded in the middle class social fabric to ever become irrelevant, that there will never be a lack of audience and that there are always untapped markets for a value engineered product.

Anybody closely watching the Eastman Kodak company in the late ‘90s might have said many of the same things. In the entertainment industry, Blockbuster Video was unstoppable until it failed to adapt in the early 2000’s. Pan Am was a flagship airline for much of the history of aviation until its failure largely as a victim of mismanagement and stagnation.

If you look at historical lists of the Fortune 500, there’s a lot of unrecognizable names. Major companies fail all the time, they merge or fracture or sell off assets or get bought out. Their customer base shifts away from them, for whatever reason, and they fail to shift with it. It’s the height of hubris to assume Disney is immune from those lessons of history. It’s also willful ignorance to believe that the company thats now seemingly pinning all of its future on copying others in the streaming space can succeed there in the long term, and even if it did that it would choose to spend those rewards to re-innovate in its lost core of themed entertainment.

Other competition and technologies helped in their demise. My opinion is something bigger and better would have to come along to replace WDW. UO is Disney's closest competition and they are way behind.

Just my .02
 

techgeek

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Other competition and technologies helped in their demise. My opinion is something bigger and better would have to come along to replace WDW. UO is Disney's closest competition and they are way behind.

Just my .02

I agree with your overall opinion. When you consider why large businesses fail, it's never one issue but the perfect storm of many of them. When it comes to competition, I think you have have to consider not only obvious competitors like UO or SEAS, but if we will see a major shift in the future of the way people choose to spend their vacation days.

Disney isn't just competing against other theme parks, they are competing against other travel and leisure opportunities. As we saw this summer, when Disney wasn't available / too restrictive / too expensive, people chose overwhelmingly to visit other destinations and have different kinds of vacations. That may simply be a pandemic trend that will correct back, but it may also have touched off a more permanent and major shift in perception of the kinds of experiences people seek and what value they attach to them.
 

crispy

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Other competition and technologies helped in their demise. My opinion is something bigger and better would have to come along to replace WDW. UO is Disney's closest competition and they are way behind.

Just my .02
I disagree with this. Yes, they have less parks, but their hotels are way nicer and the experience at Universal is just fun. We visited for the first time last year and really enjoyed not having to plan every minute of our time. I think Universal has a better product than WDW right now, and I never thought I would say that.
 

Basil of Baker Street

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I disagree with this. Yes, they have less parks, but their hotels are way nicer and the experience at Universal is just fun. We visited for the first time last year and really enjoyed not having to plan every minute of our time. I think Universal has a better product than WDW right now, and I never thought I would say that.
Don't get me wrong, I like Universal. Have had AP's before. But the issue is after about 3 days there I'm ready to do something else. I don't have that problem at Disney, even with diminished offerings.
 

MaryJaneP

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Would it be fair to say that WDW apparently has some decisions ahead, like is it an amusement park or theme park? Does it value having an entertainment reputation? Is it in the leisure or activity business? None of these choices are exclusive of the other choices, just where the majority of effort is going to be placed. Many have commented on the WDW transition away from cherished offerings to an almost diabolical rejection of its past.
 

Jrb1979

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Don't get me wrong, I like Universal. Have had AP's before. But the issue is after about 3 days there I'm ready to do something else. I don't have that problem at Disney, even with diminished offerings.
I was there for a week last year and had no issues finding things to do. I loved being able to ride attractions multiple times. I rode the Mummy 10 times that week.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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UO is Disney's closest competition and they are way behind.
That’s debatable.

That may simply be a pandemic trend that will correct back, but it may also have touched off a more permanent and major shift in perception of the kinds of experiences people seek and what value they attach to them.
This is important to realize. Especially if Disney loses the “magic” like fireworks, parades, quality stage shows and entertainment etc.
 

doctornick

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I hear ya. No way I could do a full week at uni tho.

We always stay at the better resorts and with included Express Pass, it's so easy to "do" Uni in a few days including many multiple rides on our favorite rides. Haven't done Volcano Bay though doubt we'd do more than 1 day there (the resort pools themselves are usually enough) so for us probably 4 days, maybe 5 if we go slow and visit all the resorts would be plenty.
 

Jrb1979

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We always stay at the better resorts and with included Express Pass, it's so easy to "do" Uni in a few days including many multiple rides on our favorite rides. Haven't done Volcano Bay though doubt we'd do more than 1 day there (the resort pools themselves are usually enough) so for us probably 4 days, maybe 5 if we go slow and visit all the resorts would be plenty.
Agreed but there is so much to do on International Drive that you can do as well. Its a shame so many people never leave either bubble
 

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