Disney Springs construction begins

[Bolt]

if you take a look at how long it has taken them to get to the point they are now (4+ months) and multiply that by the number of levels you get a rough idea of time as well.


I'll put $100 on it not being open fully before February 2015. If I loose the money would go to wdwmagic for site hosting or a charity of their choice.

No causing delays yourself.

 

[roj2323]

No causing delays yourself.

I won't =)


The thing is someone said it was a 15 month project and the notice of commencement was issued 7/9/13 according to this thread: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/wdw-permits-2013.857579/ but according to this post:
http://www.wdwmagic.com/attractions...ey-and-new-construction-trailers-on-lot-h.htm the parking lots were not closed until the first week of August. If everything runs smoothly they could conceivably finish by January but Knowing how unpredictable the weather is in Florida I can see it taking longer and I fully expect it to take longer. As is, the permit for the project doesn't expire until December 31 2017.

 

[danlb_2000]

if you take a look at how long it has taken them to get to the point they are now (4+ months) and multiply that by the number of levels you get a rough idea of time as well.


I'll put $100 on it not being open fully before February 2015. If I loose the money would go to wdwmagic for site hosting or a charity of their choice.

Wouldn't the upper levels of a garage go much faster then the first level? Everything that is being done on the first level is being done on site, I would think the upper levels would be a lot more pre-cast pieces.

 

[Lord_Vader]

Wouldn't the upper levels of a garage go much faster then the first level? Everything that is being done on the first level is being done on site, I would think the upper levels would be a lot more pre-cast pieces.

Based on past observations the prep-work including driving all the necessary pilings takes quite a large amount of time compared to the vertical work.

 

[roj2323]

Wouldn't the upper levels of a garage go much faster then the first level? Everything that is being done on the first level is being done on site, I would think the upper levels would be a lot more pre-cast pieces.

The massive pile of concrete forms tells me they are pouring the decks in place. That takes a lot longer. I'm personally surprised they are not using the precast method as well but I guess the garage would last a heck of a lot longer and would be much more likely to stand up to a hurricane.

 

[roj2323]

Based on past observations the prep-work including driving all the necessary pilings takes quite a large amount of time compared to the vertical work.

This is true to a certain extent. The main issue is the steel reinforcement setup time and the concrete cure time for the the concrete decks.

 

[maxairmike]

The massive pile of concrete forms tells me they are pouring the decks in place. That takes a lot longer. I'm personally surprised they are not using the precast method as well but I guess the garage would last a heck of a lot longer and would be much more likely to stand up to a hurricane.

Do they have enough room (and is it possible) to pour deck sections on the ground and use the tower cranes to lift them into place once they're cured? I would think that may be a bit quicker than pouring in place at deck level and needing to wait for it to cure before moving on to the next section.

 

[dstrawn9889]

now i have seen where they pour a floor a week in highrise constuction... once the foundation and first floor deck are cured, then it is just a matter of moving forms up a floor and rinse and repeat

 

[roj2323]

Do they have enough room (and is it possible) to pour deck sections on the ground and use the tower cranes to lift them into place once they're cured? I would think that may be a bit quicker than pouring in place at deck level and needing to wait for it to cure before moving on to the next section.

Yes it's possible to pour the sections on the ground and lift them into place but No they do not have the room and the cranes they are using are not rated for that kind of load.

 

[dstrawn9889]

Yes it's possible to pour the sections on the ground and lift them into place but No they do not have the room and the cranes they are using are not rated for that kind of load.

i was thinking the same way, those tower cranes can handle dump buckets of concrete but not full slabs, the cranes are there for support lifting (forms, rebar, remesh, dump buckets...)

 

[maxairmike]

Yes it's possible to pour the sections on the ground and lift them into place but No they do not have the room and the cranes they are using are not rated for that kind of load.

Well, that should be the most telling part of the whole thread, almost certainly going poured on-site, at level the whole way. Yeah, I can't see this opening by the holidays.

 

[dstrawn9889]

Well, that should be the most telling part of the whole thread, almost certainly going poured on-site, at level the whole way. Yeah, I can't see this opening by the holidays.

on the contrary i have seen on certain tv shows, a company pouring a floor of a hotel a week, elevator core and all, it is just a matter of timing, cure time and form movement.

 

[Lord_Vader]

on the contrary i have seen on certain tv shows, a company pouring a floor of a hotel a week, elevator core and all, it is just a matter of timing, cure time and form movement.

Sure is, and this parking deck is huge. They could easily set the forms, rebar, etc in each building bay, then pour and let cure assembly line style and move across the deck from one side to the other. Once at the far end return to the start point and the first pours should be cured and ready for the next level.

 

[TomHendricks]

on the contrary i have seen on certain tv shows, a company pouring a floor of a hotel a week, elevator core and all, it is just a matter of timing, cure time and form movement.

You have watched Build It Bigger with Danny Forster...

 

[71jason]

I'm splitting the difference. Feb 2015. Can't pin down a date yet. Need to consult my sources.

If your sources have any connection to TDO, they're going to tell you November 2013. That's the official line internally.

I know nothing about construction, not sure how realistic or unrealistic that is. But company thinking right now is open for Christmas. I imagine there will be penalties if that doesn't happen.

 

[dstrawn9889]

You have watched Build It Bigger with Danny Forster...

yeah those slip forms for the core were pretty slick...

 

[CDavid]

If your sources have any connection to TDO, they're going to tell you November 2013. That's the official line internally.

I know nothing about construction, not sure how realistic or unrealistic that is. But company thinking right now is open for Christmas. I imagine there will be penalties if that doesn't happen.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say November 2013 may not be realistic.

How are they ever gonna get an entire parking garage through the doors of the TARDIS...

Seriously, they may well want it open by Christmas, but with a good chance it doesn't make it.

 

[SirLink]

If your sources have any connection to TDO, they're going to tell you November 2013. That's the official line internally.

I know nothing about construction, not sure how realistic or unrealistic that is. But company thinking right now is open for Christmas. I imagine there will be penalties if that doesn't happen.

One would hope so ... one would hope that, one would of hoped they would of had construction crews doing.

 

[omurice]

Doesn't concrete take 20 months to cure, or is that a thing of the past?

 

[dstrawn9889]

Slabs on ground (e.g. pavements, sidewalks, parking lots, driveways, floors, canal linings) and structural concrete (e.g. bridge decks, piers, columns, beams, slabs, small footings, cast-in-place walls, retaining walls) require a minimum curing period of seven days for ambient temperatures above 40 degrees Fahrenheit1.



American Concrete Institute (ACI) Committee 301 recommends a minimum curing period corresponding to concrete attaining 70 percent of the specified compressive strength2. The often specified seven-day curing commonly corresponds to approximately 70 percent of the specified compressive strengths. The 70 percent strength level can be reached sooner when concrete cures at higher temperatures or when certain cement/admixture combinations are used. Similarly, longer time may be needed for different material combinations and/or lower curing temperatures. For this reason, ACI Committee 308 recommends the following minimum curing periods3:

• ASTM C 150 Type I cement seven days
• ASTM C 150 Type II cement ten days
• ASTM C 150 Type III cement three days
• ASTM C 150 Type IV or V cement 14 days
• ASTM C 595, C 845, C 1157 cements variable

Effect of curing duration on compressive strength development is presented in Figure 11.

Figure 1. Moist Curing Time and Compressive Strength Gain


Higher curing temperatures promote an early strength gain in concrete but may decrease its 28-day strength. Effect of curing temperature on compressive strength development is presented in Figure 21.

```http://www.cement.org/for-concrete-...ncrete-construction/curing-in-construction```