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Disney Skyliner shutdown and evacuation - October 6 2019
- Thread starter Ojo4
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Strange and very unwise. Someone said it to your husband, you posted it here, guests who were trapped for three hours just got to read it. And I think most people who had been up there for 3 hours and read this would be rightfully thinking that their experience was, at best, being diminished, and, at worst, they were being called liars.
Somebody needs to hold a morning meeting.
RSoxNo1
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Not to make the opposing argument for them, but the "cheaped out" argument would be against another form of transportation (i.e. a monorail). As far as gondola systems go, it doesn't appear they cheaped out, despite the lack of AC.
Orlando Sentinel article said they were dispatched at 8:27. They had 27 FF respond and 2 Supervisors. They also called mutual aid fire from Orange and Osceola County Fire/Rescue. So about an hour after dispatch for rescues to begin sounds right.
And then raise prices.
Think of it, VIP Evacuation packages. Survive in style with bottled Smart Water, a battery operated fan, fresh snacks and Priority FP+ Rescue, instead of being left for dead with bagged water and a glow stick. Now available for booking $299.99 per person plus tax. DVC/AP Discount available.
not to mention, was this test done after they had already spent the money and erected the lines, and hung up the cabins? If so, there would be significant pressure for them to reach the “correct” result.
LSLS
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1 degree over what time frame in what weather conditions?
There's a reason most amusement parks (and Disney) stopped using these as rides in their parks. They are inefficient, maintenance headaches, and I was shocked that Disney built these eyesores as a means of mass transportation. I am a little bewildered that some people question why others are questioning why Disney didn't shut down the entire system after the accident. The reason Disney would shut down the entire system is simple: they don't know that actual cause of the accident. They may have known at the time it was a power failure that caused the cabins to collide, but they most assuredly didn't know the cause of that power failure, and whether or not it could easily occur on the other line. They also didn't know if the rollback was indeed the result of that failure. It's about mitigating their liability. I am surprised Disney didn't shut it all down.
As to the poster who is belittling the evacuation time: this isn't a training exercise for navy seals, and even if you can get a cherry picker to reach the cabin in a minute or two doesn't change the danger of the evacuation (or Disney's liability). For one thing, the cabins aren't stationary objects. They are swinging on that line, and there is the very real (though unlikely) possibility of unsecured guests falling. There was an incident at Six Flags Great America when the rear axle of a roller coaster train separated and wedged in-between the rails of the tracks. Unfortunately, it occurred in the second loop of the ride. Before they could even begin to evacuate, they had to secure the train to the tracks to make sure it wouldn't dislodge during the evacuation. Then they had had to secure the occupants of each car prior to releasing the restraints. While obviously there wasn't this level of security required, the could just go up there and hop in. Forcing someone into a harness in less than a minute is going to cause that cabin to swing, and not everyone is going to be calm about it.
Though the compensation seems to some as inadequate, I'm not so sure. It was at most a major inconvenience, so unless you were in one of the cabins that collided, I think this was fair compensation.
As to the poster who is belittling the evacuation time: this isn't a training exercise for navy seals, and even if you can get a cherry picker to reach the cabin in a minute or two doesn't change the danger of the evacuation (or Disney's liability). For one thing, the cabins aren't stationary objects. They are swinging on that line, and there is the very real (though unlikely) possibility of unsecured guests falling. There was an incident at Six Flags Great America when the rear axle of a roller coaster train separated and wedged in-between the rails of the tracks. Unfortunately, it occurred in the second loop of the ride. Before they could even begin to evacuate, they had to secure the train to the tracks to make sure it wouldn't dislodge during the evacuation. Then they had had to secure the occupants of each car prior to releasing the restraints. While obviously there wasn't this level of security required, the could just go up there and hop in. Forcing someone into a harness in less than a minute is going to cause that cabin to swing, and not everyone is going to be calm about it.
Though the compensation seems to some as inadequate, I'm not so sure. It was at most a major inconvenience, so unless you were in one of the cabins that collided, I think this was fair compensation.
When people say it felt much warmer when the gondola stopped, was were the conditions in those situations?
RustySpork
Oscar Mayer Memer
In my case, direct sunlight shining on the back of my neck in a Skyliner car that didn't have character graphics. 100% scientifical, tested by my peers who also felt the same heat sensation.
Quote of the year
Incomudro
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Yes, I'm wondering if there is a lot of finger pointing going on?
Is WDW majorly upset with Doppelmayr?
Is Doppelmayr blaming Disney?
MrPromey
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trainplane3
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Funny. We broke down on ToT right as we were rolling into the drop shaft. Maintenance came up behind, asked if everyone was fine, then manually pulled the cab out. As he was unloading us he explained what happened (ever so slightly out of alignment when going into the drop shaft). It might just be a ToT thing. We were being loaded back into a elevator in less then 15 minutes.
Bender123
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Except that's not at all the reason...The old systems were removed because they had passive restraints and open cabs that allowed dumb people to do dumb things, like throw items over, spit on people, jump out (on occasion), etc...
Comparing these systems would be like saying a motorcycle is like a Semi, because they both have wheels and a motor.
LSLS
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I thought we were talking about the 3 hour stops that happened here, but admittedly I've had a tough time following all the side conversations.
In the first days of people allowed to video their experience of the gondolas, some of the vloggers took thermometers with them and showed only a degree raise in temperature when the gondola stopped.
LSLS
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Ok, but in the context of these stopping for 3 hours, that really doesn't mean anything. I mean, not to go back to the car analogy, but my car does not appreciably heat up when I stop and turn the car off for a couple minutes either (let me add I fully believe these stay much cooler than a car as well, not trying to rehash all that).
For what it's worth, I fully believe the vents are perfectly fine when the cars are in motion/stopped for short periods. I have trouble believing if this stop happened at 2:00 you would see only a 1 degree increase in temp.
Phil12
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Obviously, you are cherry picking since the very next line states, "Since heat index values were devised for shady, light wind conditions, exposure to full sunshine can increase heat index values by up to 15°F. Also, strong winds, particularly with very hot, dry air, can be extremely hazardous."
No one said anything about the difference between life and death. But even a few minutes in the Danger Zone can be uncomfortable and a few hours can lead to health problems. Your exaggerations of death are insipid.
People in reasonably good health will tolerate heat extremes better than very young or very old people. Also, folks with chronic health problems are more susceptible such as people that take certain high blood pressure medications.