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News Disney Riviera Resort announced

trojanjustin

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It is actually reasonably Hawaiian, so it's not like it's a clone.

I think they did a great job with Aulani, and most people I know who are from Hawaii agree.

Aulani can be critiqued, but I don't think it should be criticized. I'm with @cosmicgirl in saying that it demonstrates Disney's *capability* to commit to and execute a thoughtful, well-themed resort in recent-ish times.
I do think it's a lovely resort but the big error was in the scale of the pool area. It was built on the scale of a Walt Disney World hotel, with some added amenities as there was a common assumption that the majority of guests would be out during the day, exploring the island. Instead, nobody leaves. This is problematic as it means people have to get up at 7am to get a lounge chair or sign up for any number of activities in moderate-to-peak periods. It's not relaxing or good service.
 

creathir

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I do think it's a lovely resort but the big error was in the scale of the pool area. It was built on the scale of a Walt Disney World hotel, with some added amenities as there was a common assumption that the majority of guests would be out during the day, exploring the island. Instead, nobody leaves. This is problematic as it means people have to get up at 7am to get a lounge chair or sign up for any number of activities in moderate-to-peak periods. It's not relaxing or good service.
This was totally not our experience in the slightest.
Maybe it was the time of year (late Feb/early March) but it was empty in the pool area.

The lagoon was a different story, primarily due to the crowding due to sharing it with the other resort. I’d imagine once Atlantis goes in it will only get worse.
But the pool area was usually quite empty, particularly the lazy river or island in the middle of it. The adult infinity pool was somewhat busy, but overall the pools were not busy enough to be noticeable.
 

trojanjustin

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This was totally not our experience in the slightest.
Maybe it was the time of year (late Feb/early March) but it was empty in the pool area.

The lagoon was a different story, primarily due to the crowding due to sharing it with the other resort. I’d imagine once Atlantis goes in it will only get worse.
But the pool area was usually quite empty, particularly the lazy river or island in the middle of it. The adult infinity pool was somewhat busy, but overall the pools were not busy enough to be noticeable.
That was the slow season. Nearly every review of the place now expresses frustration with this fact. It’s miserably crowded during moderate to peak season.
 

cosmicgirl

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I do think it's a lovely resort but the big error was in the scale of the pool area. It was built on the scale of a Walt Disney World hotel, with some added amenities as there was a common assumption that the majority of guests would be out during the day, exploring the island. Instead, nobody leaves. This is problematic as it means people have to get up at 7am to get a lounge chair or sign up for any number of activities in moderate-to-peak periods. It's not relaxing or good service.
This was totally not our experience in the slightest.
Maybe it was the time of year (late Feb/early March) but it was empty in the pool area.

The lagoon was a different story, primarily due to the crowding due to sharing it with the other resort. I’d imagine once Atlantis goes in it will only get worse.
But the pool area was usually quite empty, particularly the lazy river or island in the middle of it. The adult infinity pool was somewhat busy, but overall the pools were not busy enough to be noticeable.
We were there in September and didn't have a single issue with crowds, either. The beach was empty and most people seemed to prefer the pools. We never had an issue getting chairs at either. In peak season the pools will be crowded anywhere, including WDW resorts.

As for hardly anyone leaving the resort: they kind of brought that on themselves with the insane parking fee and equally insane Alamo rates if you pick up a car there. Picking up at the airport and staying on points with free parking is the way to go, but most non-DVC guests won't do enough research to realize that.
 

creathir

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We were there in September and didn't have a single issue with crowds, either. The beach was empty and most people seemed to prefer the pools. We never had an issue getting chairs at either. In peak season the pools will be crowded anywhere, including WDW resorts.

As for hardly anyone leaving the resort: they kind of brought that on themselves with the insane parking fee and equally insane Alamo rates if you pick up a car there. Picking up at the airport and staying on points with free parking is the way to go, but most non-DVC guests won't do enough research to realize that.
This is what we did.
We had a pretty big party and had two rentals.
We also stayed up on the windward side of the island for a week before Aulani in a house we rented on the beach.
Honestly, this was a mistake.
The fear had been the house would be a dump and we wanted the memory of Hawaii to be saved by a fun Disney resort. Instead, the house we rented was amazing. On the beach, a beautiful lanai with a sea wall next to the beach, an absolutely gorgeous drive out to the house along the twisty King Kamehameha highway thru the “country”, with nothing but locals around.

Disney’s resort was amazing, fun, and spectacular.
And was a let down after the previous week.
But it did have the free parking, which was totally the way to go.
 

prberk

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Aulani is proof that they haven't forgotten. And I'd say AoA is up there, as well, although obviously from a very different angle.
I can agree on Aulani. But I was really only thinking about WDW hotels. But Aulani does give hope that the company can still do an immersive theme to another place and time if they really want to.... which is the point, really, of my post. The distinctive that used to mark a WDW or Disney resort was immersive theme (and customer service). That should still be true (of all Disney resorts, hence the term "distinctive"). I just wish that were still true.
 

flyerjab

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If folks want to see that not all of Disney's refurbished rooms are quote/unquote sterile versions, look no further than the new rooms in AKL Jambo House. The redone rooms are incredibly themed. There are several videos on YouTube that cover the updated look and they are nothing like what we saw with the new test-rooms in WL.
 

Calmdownnow

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creathir

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Sadly these aerial shots make this look like a Lego model where the builder has run out of rounded bits (for the roof) and run out of those little red and orange fiddly bits (window canopies) so has just dropped them in randomly across the model. Hope it looks better from ground level.
The design of this resort, at least on the outside, is an atrocity
So these type of messages are getting a tad old IMO... (see what I did there?)

We get it, it’s not for everyone.
But please take a look at other DVC properties. It’s very similar in design and uses very similar aesthetics.

Take a look at the Boardwalk Villas. Odd canopy placements, broken roofline, tall, empty vertical walls.

Or look at Boulder Creek at Wilderness Lodge...
Very ordinary looking building.

Look at Old Key West. It literally feels like an apartment complex.

Saratoga Springs, a retirement community...

The point is these have never been architectural wonders. Some stick out more than others, but there is nothing offensive about the Riviera. The resort has quite a few amazing features to it, and the rooms are likely the best looking in the entire system. (At least the display models at the info center are)

It’s a large building designed to hold a large number of time share owners at a time.

Compare it to other DVC properties and it does not look out of place in the slightest.

Compare it to other timeshare organizations’ properties, and it looks downright amazing.
 

lazyboy97o

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So these type of messages are getting a tad old IMO... (see what I did there?)

We get it, it’s not for everyone.
But please take a look at other DVC properties. It’s very similar in design and uses very similar aesthetics.

Take a look at the Boardwalk Villas. Odd canopy placements, broken roofline, tall, empty vertical walls.

Or look at Boulder Creek at Wilderness Lodge...
Very ordinary looking building.

Look at Old Key West. It literally feels like an apartment complex.

Saratoga Springs, a retirement community...

The point is these have never been architectural wonders. Some stick out more than others, but there is nothing offensive about the Riviera. The resort has quite a few amazing features to it, and the rooms are likely the best looking in the entire system. (At least the display models at the info center are)

It’s a large building designed to hold a large number of time share owners at a time.

Compare it to other DVC properties and it does not look out of place in the slightest.

Compare it to other timeshare organizations’ properties, and it looks downright amazing.
Most of the examples you give are not at all similar. They feature variations in massing and appropriate ornament related to their intended styles. Differences are consistent and part of an easily legible pattern, not seemingly random. Being rectangular is not a problem, and nobody is expecting wild deconstructivist forms. Riviera’s tower is almost completely disconnected from it’s supposed storm.
 

MansionButler84

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So these type of messages are getting a tad old IMO... (see what I did there?)

We get it, it’s not for everyone.
But please take a look at other DVC properties. It’s very similar in design and uses very similar aesthetics.

Take a look at the Boardwalk Villas. Odd canopy placements, broken roofline, tall, empty vertical walls.

Or look at Boulder Creek at Wilderness Lodge...
Very ordinary looking building.

Look at Old Key West. It literally feels like an apartment complex.

Saratoga Springs, a retirement community...

The point is these have never been architectural wonders. Some stick out more than others, but there is nothing offensive about the Riviera. The resort has quite a few amazing features to it, and the rooms are likely the best looking in the entire system. (At least the display models at the info center are)

It’s a large building designed to hold a large number of time share owners at a time.

Compare it to other DVC properties and it does not look out of place in the slightest.

Compare it to other timeshare organizations’ properties, and it looks downright amazing.
LOL

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vs. the Marriott across from CBR...
 

creathir

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LOL

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vs. the Marriott across from CBR...
Take a look at the REST of BWV, the part not on the Boardwalk.

The angles of WLV near the pool area are more interesting yes, but the rest of the Villas structure is not exactly award winning.

It’s a box containing rooms, much as many of these structures are.

And they work! They offer a lot for everyone to enjoy, as this resort will as well.
 
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