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News Disney Riviera Resort announced

Monorail_Red_77

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Y'all seem to be conveniently forgetting that the Swolphin predated Boardwalk, Yacht, and Beach. Disney choose to clash with the "thematic harmony" of the Dolphin and Swan when they created the seaside resort complex. 🙄
Yep. I’ve seen video of the parking lot tram that used to run back there. The literal Boardwalk is older than the Boardwalk Inn. Very weird to see the fancy Boardwalk with no hotel there.
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
if it's not there now, it's most likely not coming... It is too large an element to pop on the top after all the scaffolding comes down...It would have been framed up with the rest of the building.
Yeah, this building is what it is at this point. It's not like a LEGO set where they are just gonna pop a curved piece on there.
 

disneyC97

Well-Known Member
...ugh...


From a Bioreconstruct tweet a couple days ago, I'm not sure if there are plans to "roof" that section:

Especially considering how there isn't any other section of the hotel that looks like that part:
I wish at the very least they would have (or still can?) plant some tall palms or even non-palm trees that grow taller for those blank ends of the GF DVC building. It's really so ugly from that angle. The approaches on the monorail coming from the Polynesian and the walkway from the original buildings are fine, but the lagoon-side is awful which is a shame.
 

trainplane3

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I wish at the very least they would have (or still can?) plant some tall palms or even non-palm trees that grow taller for those blank ends of the GF DVC building. It's really so ugly from that angle. The approaches on the monorail coming from the Polynesian and the walkway from the original buildings are fine, but the lagoon-side is awful which is a shame.
Thing is, it'd probably look awkward with trees in those spots. Just big blotches of green in the middle of a pure white building. Some added detail to the building in those spots would work but there's no ROI on doing that.
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Lensman

Premium Member
Yeah, this building is what it is at this point. It's not like a LEGO set where they are just gonna pop a curved piece on there.
Yeah, the best we can hope for now is that they paint it blue, then it'll be invisible. Lol

I did notice that there are spots for faux windows with relief in the concrete-work. Maybe they'll paint fake windows and railings on? I wonder if that will look even worse?

The only consolation is that that side of the building isn't visible from any/many of the public areas since it's the loading dock side.

Sorry CBR!
Thing is, it'd probably look awkward with trees in those spots. Just big blotches of green in the middle of a pure white building. Some added detail to the building in those spots would work but there's no ROI on doing that.
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As I said above, I wonder if it would look worse to just paint on some fake windows and detailing? Unlike Riviera, this side of VGF is actually visible from some significant public areas, right?
but why didn't those units on the end get the benefit of added windows and views? (this is direct waterfront) Why at the very least were there not faux windows added to the structure to at least make it look complete? ...
All hallmarks of shoddy design.
Oops. Yeah, I agree about the faux windows.

I read on another thread that they wanted to keep the rooms more consistent - though I agree that it seems like it would make more sense to have a category of room with even better views and more points? OTOH, I wonder if the windows would interfere with the interior layout? I know that DVC rooms use a lot of the wall space for murphy beds.
 

ABQ

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Oops. Yeah, I agree about the faux windows.

I read on another thread that they wanted to keep the rooms more consistent - though I agree that it seems like it would make more sense to have a category of room with even better views and more points? OTOH, I wonder if the windows would interfere with the interior layout? I know that DVC rooms use a lot of the wall space for murphy beds.
Half of what you see where those blank walls are on the VGF is either bathroom or closet, depending on the direction you are facing. They could have tried to put a window near the end, but that would be over the headboard or a TV, again, depending on the direction, and not feasible honestly. Faux windows would be the only realistic solution to breakup the boring facade.
 

nicb88

Active Member
Half of what you see where those blank walls are on the VGF is either bathroom or closet, depending on the direction you are facing. They could have tried to put a window near the end, but that would be over the headboard or a TV, again, depending on the direction, and not feasible honestly. Faux windows would be the only realistic solution to breakup the boring facade.
On the ends of the original outer resort buildings at the GF the stairwells are only semi-enclosed which at least provides some visual interest even if it is only of a staircase. I'm curious as to why this detail wasn't carried over. I don't suppose they would have done this on a new build like Riviera, however.
 

peter11435

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On the ends of the original outer resort buildings at the GF the stairwells are only semi-enclosed which at least provides some visual interest even if it is only of a staircase. I'm curious as to why this detail wasn't carried over. I don't suppose they would have done this on a new build like Riviera, however.
My assumption is that it may have something to with building codes. Just an assumption.
 

Lensman

Premium Member
I was thinking it could be something along those lines.
Are those purely emergency exit stairs or do people regularly use them to exit at the end of the building? Maybe it's just that they want to air condition them? Though if they are connected to the regular HVAC system, I don't know if they would qualify as emergency exit stairs since ventilation for emergency exit stairs has to be separate from the regular building HVAC system, and preferably come from outside.

I'm no expert on this subject, though.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
My assumption is that it may have something to with building codes. Just an assumption.
I was thinking it could be something along those lines.
EPCOT Building Code, 806.12 Stairway Construction, Exterior.
(a) Exterior stairways shall be of noncombustible materials, except that in Type II buildings of not more than three stories and in Type III, IV, V and VI buildings, stairways may be of wood of not less than 2-inch nominal thickness.
(b) Exterior stairways shall be protected as required for exterior walls where there is exposure to adjacent structures or to property lines.
(c) Exterior stairways shall not project into an area where openings are required to be protected.
(d) The walls and soffits of enclosed usable space under exterior stairs shall be protected by 1-hour fire-resis- tance-rated construction or the fire-resistive rating of the stair enclosure, whichever is greater. Access to the enclosed usable space shall not be directly from within the stair enclosure.


The DVC building is most likely a Type II construction but exterior stairs would not be problem.

Are those purely emergency exit stairs or do people regularly use them to exit at the end of the building? Maybe it's just that they want to air condition them? Though if they are connected to the regular HVAC system, I don't know if they would qualify as emergency exit stairs since ventilation for emergency exit stairs has to be separate from the regular building HVAC system, and preferably come from outside.

I'm no expert on this subject, though.
They are definitely the egress stairs and there is no problem with them being air conditioned. Separation doesn’t mean having an entirely different system, it just means protecting the stair from smoke and fire spreading through the ducts into the stairs for a certain amount of time.
 
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Bocabear

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Half of what you see where those blank walls are on the VGF is either bathroom or closet, depending on the direction you are facing. They could have tried to put a window near the end, but that would be over the headboard or a TV, again, depending on the direction, and not feasible honestly. Faux windows would be the only realistic solution to breakup the boring facade.
but that again is just poor design...a building facing direct waterfront and the architects and designers are so caught in the cookie-cutter design they cannot possibly alter the units on the ends of the building to allow for better views and light...they could have even been special suites...But beyond that to have not added a little detail is just lazy.
 

nicb88

Active Member
EPCOT Building Code, 806.12 Stairway Construction, Exterior.
(a) Exterior stairways shall be of noncombustible materials, except that in Type II buildings of not more than three stories and in Type III, IV, V and VI buildings, stairways may be of wood of not less than 2-inch nominal thickness.
(b) Exterior stairways shall be protected as required for exterior walls where there is exposure to adjacent structures or to property lines.
(c) Exterior stairways shall not project into an area where openings are required to be protected.
(d) The walls and soffits of enclosed usable space under exterior stairs shall be protected by 1-hour fire-resis- tance-rated construction or the fire-resistive rating of the stair enclosure, whichever is greater. Access to the enclosed usable space shall not be directly from within the stair enclosure.


The DVC building is most likely a Type II construction but exterior stairs would not be problem.


They are definitely the egress stairs and there is no problem with them being air conditioned. Separation doesn’t mean having an entirely different system, it just means protecting the stair from smoke and fire spreading through the ducts into the stairs for a certain amount of time.
Having stayed there a few times, they are usable stairs but they’re not the ones they really want you using. They’re locked off by magicband/card. They’re also not air conditioned. They get incredibly warm - it’s difficult to walk to the top in the heat! 😅
 

creathir

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Premium Member
My assumption is that it may have something to with building codes. Just an assumption.
I agree, though I still believe they could have done something to help conceal these stairs a bit more.

Couldn’t they have extended the building and included storage/sitting areas or something?
 
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