News Disney Riviera Resort announced

jaxonp

jaxonp

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peter11435 said:
I’ll tell you what. When Disney actually decides to start marketing this project with the intent of selling the idea to customers I’ll point it out to you.
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You don’t have to, plenty people agree with me. You’re definition of selling is black and white.
 
peter11435

peter11435

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jaxonp said:
You don’t have to, plenty people agree with me. You’re definition of selling is black and white.
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People can agree with you all you want but that doesn’t mean you understand how the company operates.

My definition of selling is just fine because I understand their intent.

There’s a reason there is a slight but important difference on that riviera artwork verses all other artwork released the other day. The same difference can be spotted in their verbiage regarding Reflections.
 
jaxonp

jaxonp

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peter11435 said:
People can agree with you all you want but that doesn’t mean you understand how the company operates.

My definition of selling is just fine because I understand their intent.

There’s a reason there is a slight but important difference on that riviera artwork verses all other artwork released the other day. The same difference can be spotted in their verbiage regarding Reflections.
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You have no proof of Disney’s intent and frankly zero idea what your taking about. I can say the very exact thing you’re saying. As you said, You do not work for Disney. I doubt you work for any company that has to do with marketing or sales but you’ll like say you do.

The fact that you don’t understand that the foundation for sales has been laid by these types of announcements shows your inability to understand Disney’s end game or how the basic sales cycle works. Let’s just agree to disagree but if you’re bored take time to find the Disney blog post on Facebook or twitter promoting this announcement and read the comments from the people. You’ll see what the consumer is thinking and it and then it should be quite clear what these announcements are about.

This isn’t blue sky artwork.
 
peter11435

peter11435

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jaxonp said:
You have no proof of Disney’s intent and frankly zero idea what your taking about. I can say the very exact thing you’re saying. As you said, You do not work for Disney. I doubt you work for any company that has to do with marketing or sales but you’ll like say you do.

The fact that you don’t understand that the foundation for sales has been laid by these types of announcements shows your inability to understand Disney’s end game or how the basic sales cycle works. Let’s just agree to disagree but if you’re bored take time to find the Disney blog post on Facebook or twitter promoting this announcement and read the comments from the people. You’ll see what the consumer is thinking and it and then it should be quite clear what these announcements are about.

This isn’t blue sky artwork.
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It’s very clear you don’t know what you’re are talking about regarding this specific subject. As much as you may want to apply things learned in business or marketing school. The world and certainly the Disney world doesn’t always work that way.

I don’t care to continue to argue about it with you. But I will point it out when it happens.
 
jaxonp

jaxonp

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peter11435 said:
It’s very clear you don’t know what you’re are talking about regarding this specific subject. As much as you may want to apply things learned in business or marketing school. The world and certainly the Disney world doesn’t always work that way.

I don’t care to continue to argue about it with you. But I will point it out when it happens.
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You have not provided any facts just your opinions where I have stated and provided examples and realities of this type of marketing. Other posters have asked you similar questions and you have yet to come up with anything that makes sense other than telling people that they are wrong. You don't work for Disney, on your own admission, yet you tell people their wrong without any facts or proof of inside knowledge.

And what are you going to point out, that Disney puts out a press release that points are available to to buy for this resort?

Many people have made their mind up about this resort from artwork(s) released that they just aren't that interested. So, you should educate them that this or any artwork released at a fan event, shouldn't be apart of their decision making process because it isn't really marketing to them, as you say. Also, please be sure to let Disney know that people have already, incorrectly because they don't think the "Disney way", begun thinking about this resort prematurely based on imagery related to a resort opening in a year or so... us consumers are so dumb, we just don't know when to look at something the "disney way".
 
peter11435

peter11435

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jaxonp said:
You have not provided any facts just your opinions where I have stated and provided examples and realities of this type of marketing. Other posters have asked you similar questions and you have yet to come up with anything that makes sense other than telling people that they are wrong. You don't work for Disney, on your own admission, yet you tell people their wrong without any facts or proof of inside knowledge.

And what are you going to point out, that Disney puts out a press release that points are available to to buy for this resort?

Many people have made their mind up about this resort from artwork(s) released that they just aren't that interested. So, you should educate them that this or any artwork released at a fan event, shouldn't be apart of their decision making process because it isn't really marketing to them, as you say. Also, please be sure to let Disney know that people have already, incorrectly because they don't think the "Disney way", begun thinking about this resort prematurely based on imagery related to a resort opening in a year or so... us consumers are so dumb, we just don't know when to look at something the "disney way".
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Disney doesn’t want you to be interested yet.

I said I don’t work for Disney. Doesn’t mean I never have and doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m talking about.

I’ll point it out when it happens. And no I’m not refering to points being on sale.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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peter11435 said:
There’s a reason there is a slight but important difference on that riviera artwork verses all other artwork released the other day. The same difference can be spotted in their verbiage regarding Reflections.
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I got it...there’s no kids in the artwork. This is going to be the first adult’s only resort at WDW. News broken here at WDWMagic. Bigger than when they broke the gondola story;)
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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peter11435 said:
This was not a media/press event. This was a D23 event for Disney fans. The release of this artwork has nothing to do with marketing the resort or attempting to sell it to customers. It was about selling D23 memberships and tickets to these events. This art like nearly everything else at that event were minor announcements and releases designed to make event guests feel like there was value in paying to attend the presentation.
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This is a valid point. The way I understand how these events work is they pull together stuff to present so they have news to break. It very well could be that the presenters asked the project team for something to show while they talked about Riviera as opposed to a targeted plan to market the resort. I still think these types of events fall under overall marketing for Disney parks and in this case DVC.
 
Lensman

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Disney Dad 3000 said:
But why are they trying to sell me on buying here with a pool like that?
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I am gravitating to the idea that the release was just of "best-effort availability" concept art for the event, but I also wonder if it was intentionally selected for its adultness and the non-kid focus? I wonder what the current main target demographic is for DVC? I suppose it's still parents in their 30's and 40's with kids from 5-10, based on their marketing videos. But I wonder if they have a different demographic for addon members? Or are they trying to appeal to the adult-ish side of parents?

I wonder if there was other concept art that did show the main pool but that art didn't have other elements that they wanted to show like the Skyliner and the Epcot fireworks?

Disney Dad 3000 said:
But why are they trying to sell me on buying here with a pool like that?
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Don't be offended, but if you're not liking the marketing, it might just be the case that you're not being targeted. Wait for some different marketing materials to be released that is more to your liking. Or consider that this might not be the DVC for you. (For your sake, I hope Reflections isn't either! Ha!)

I might be in the target audience since the closest I've gotten to a DVC pool is the laundry room. :)

There are things in the concept art that bother me more. After looking at it close up, the fact that the two gondola cars on the CBR station side are hanging at different angles really bugs me. That can't happen!
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