News Disney Riviera Resort announced

[ImperfectPixie]

Could it be that the person who drilled the holes, used a bit that was too wide/thick?
That could explain why they didn't hold properly and slid right out, clean. If the holes are too wide, it wouldn't matter if the anchors are plastic or metal, right?

No. If you look closely at the pic, you can see that the edges of the holes are a little spread out, which is typical of what happens when you use cheap anchors that aren't meant to support anything of any real weight. Anchors made to support weight of 50lbs and up create a significantly larger hole in the wall and cause a lot more damage when they fail. (See the video @MisterPenguin posted here)

It's not necessarily that plastic anchors < metal anchors, it's more that they chose an anchor that isn't meant to provide any real support for anything of substance. The anchors they used are often found in the hardware assortment packs you can find at Walmart...like for hanging pictures, etc.

 

[drizgirl]

Could it be that the person who drilled the holes, used a bit that was too wide/thick?
That could explain why they didn't hold properly and slid right out, clean. If the holes are too wide, it wouldn't matter if the anchors are plastic or metal, right?

Absolutely not! Those are not the right anchors to use, regardless of how well they are installed.

 

[CJR]

It will be interesting to see how the studios hold up. They'll probably sell just fine short term, but I have trouble believing they'll be all that in demand once the novelty of the resort is gone. If I had to guess, in 20 years, depending on how Reflections turns out, and any other new hotels, this could be the lowest rated WDW hotel rooms on Trip Advisor. This is why it's important to think long term when making managerial decisions.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It really is not a question of if they used the right anchor. A hotel room should not be relying on drywall anchors of any sort. Blocking (either fire rated plywood or metal straps) built into the wall behind the drywall should be used to attach not just the bed, other furniture and fixtures like the TVs, shelves, restroom grab bars and most everything else attached to the walls, especially if it needs to support some weight.

 

[JoeCamel]

It really is not a question of if they used the right anchor. A hotel room should not be relying on drywall anchors of any sort. Blocking (either fire rated plywood or metal straps) built into the wall behind the drywall should be used to attach not just the bed, other furniture and fixtures like the TVs, shelves, restroom grab bars and most everything else attached to the walls, especially if it needs to support some weight.

In addition drywall anchors are meant to hold in shear not in tension like these were subjected to. Poor choice by someone.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

It really is not a question of if they used the right anchor. A hotel room should not be relying on drywall anchors of any sort. Blocking (either fire rated plywood or metal straps) built into the wall behind the drywall should be used to attach not just the bed, other furniture and fixtures like the TVs, shelves, restroom grab bars and most everything else attached to the walls, especially if it needs to support some weight.

That would still require using the correct anchors unless they went with the metal straps, in which case they'd need bolts of some kind. For example, the anchors I used to install my office shelving can support 50lbs without a stud or blocking behind them, but will support far more than that if they go into a stud (which they can, and some do). Also, don't forget that as you add anchor points, the amount of weight that can be supported multiplies. The video MisterPenguin posted tested using only one anchor point to ensure that the weight rating on the package matches the actual weight that a single anchor can support.

One other thing I noticed is that the two anchor points on each side of the back of the bed are super close together (similar to the anchor points on furniture you'd buy at Ikea)...did Disney buy these off-the-shelf from some furniture supply company or something? (ETA: This is kind of important, as adding a little distance between anchors ensures better support and stability.)

 

[xdan0920]

@lentesta lays the smack down on the one room studio at Riviera (see, bloggers can be critical, and he's so right about this...)

Riviera’s Tower Studio Rooms Are the Worst Value in Walt Disney World | TouringPlans.com Blog

Having spent the last 24 hours at Disney's Riviera Resort, I'll say that there's a lot to like: there's just enough them

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I thought the murderous beds were the worst part of this resort. These studios are an outright disgrace. Didn't someone call this resort breathtaking earlier on? Sheesh.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

FTFY... These are now on the trundle/murphy beds while Riviera sorts things out.

 

[Andrew C]

FTFY... These are now on the trundle/murphy beds while Riviera sorts things out.

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Good call.

 

[Mike730]

Drywall anchors (especially those plastic ones yuck) are for homeowners who want a cheap, easy way to make something look nice. You can post your successful anecdotes as much as you want, but that does not make drywall a structural material. I would be surprised if supporting human weight in this manner isn't a code violation in a state with stricter laws.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

Considering the following rough guidelines for 1/2" drywall, NONE of these are suitable to hold up a heavy object, let alone additional static (or worse) dynamic load (such as a person):

Plastic anchor - 10lbs
Threaded anchor - 20lbs
1/8" toggle - 30lbs
3/8" toggle - 50lbs

As mentioned earlier, the proper solution is strapping or better yet, tying into wall studs.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Drywall anchors (especially those plastic ones yuck) are for homeowners who want a cheap, easy way to make something look nice. You can post your successful anecdotes as much as you want, but that does not make drywall a structural material. I would be surprised if supporting human weight in this manner isn't a code violation in a state with stricter laws.

Considering the following rough guidelines for 1/2" drywall, NONE of these are suitable to hold up a heavy object, let alone additional static (or worse) dynamic load (such as a person):

Plastic anchor - 10lbs
Threaded anchor - 20lbs
1/8" toggle - 30lbs
3/8" toggle - 50lbs

As mentioned earlier, the proper solution is strapping or better yet, tying into wall studs.

I think you guys might be forgetting that this bed actually has a decent amount of area touching the floor. The anchors didn't need to support the weight of the unit plus a human, just prevent the unit from tilting forward.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

I think you guys might be forgetting that this bed actually has a decent amount of area touching the floor. The anchors didn't need to support the weight of the unit plus a human, just prevent the unit from tilting forward.

Not forgotten... The difference between "tension" and "shear" forces.

 

[The_Jobu]

Been watching some of the food reviews and hotel tours. I was impressed.

I cant afford to actually stay there or anything, but I might check it out for breakfast or a drink.

 

[durangojim]

Been watching some of the food reviews and hotel tours. I was impressed.

I cant afford to actually stay there or anything, but I might check it out for breakfast or a drink.

I think it looks nice but I still prefer the YC/BC and GF. I'm not a huge fan of a high rise hotel at Disney. The Skyliner is very nice though.

 

[The_Jobu]

I think it looks nice but I still prefer the YC/BC and GF. I'm not a huge fan of a high rise hotel at Disney. The Skyliner is very nice though.

I just like the menu mostly. I usually do a lot of restaurant hopping when I visit.

 

[Missing20K]

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This is gonna be a massive Change Order. Someone's pocket book is about to get significantly lighter.

 

[optjay]

wondering if this will be looked at in the other resorts with the same bed?

 

[lazyboy97o]

That would still require using the correct anchors unless they went with the metal straps, in which case they'd need bolts of some kind. For example, the anchors I used to install my office shelving can support 50lbs without a stud or blocking behind them, but will support far more than that if they go into a stud (which they can, and some do). Also, don't forget that as you add anchor points, the amount of weight that can be supported multiplies. The video MisterPenguin posted tested using only one anchor point to ensure that the weight rating on the package matches the actual weight that a single anchor can support. As an example, Bobrick’s Mounting Kit for restroom grab bars is three

One other thing I noticed is that the two anchor points on each side of the back of the bed are super close together (similar to the anchor points on furniture you'd buy at Ikea)...did Disney buy these off-the-shelf from some furniture supply company or something? (ETA: This is kind of important, as adding a little distance between anchors ensures better support and stability.)

You can’t typically bolt into something without access to the other side. In many cases the right screws into appropriate blocking/backing will suffice.

Considering the following rough guidelines for 1/2" drywall, NONE of these are suitable to hold up a heavy object, let alone additional static (or worse) dynamic load (such as a person):

Plastic anchor - 10lbs
Threaded anchor - 20lbs
1/8" toggle - 30lbs
3/8" toggle - 50lbs

As mentioned earlier, the proper solution is strapping or better yet, tying into wall studs.

Trying to tie everything into studs would be a nightmare. You’d have to coordinate all of the framing to be in the exact location for everything being attached. You’d have clusters of extra studs all over the place in some rooms. Blocking allows you to provide a much larger area than the 1 ⅝” side of a light gauge steel stud.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

...Trying to tie everything into studs would be a nightmare. You’d have to coordinate all of the framing to be in the exact location for everything being attached. You’d have clusters of extra studs all over the place in some rooms. Blocking allows you to provide a much larger area than the 1 ⅝” side of a light gauge steel stud.

Two words. Stud finder.