John park hopper
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Personally I am more concerned about the human population growth current world pop 6+ billion by 2050 projections 9+ billon. Until population growth is stopped IMO you are ing in the wind.
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News Disney removing plastic straws and more by mid-2019
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GoofGoof
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They found water on Mars so once we move some of the extra people over there we’ll be good
I can think of a bunch of people I’d “volunteer” to be colonists.
LittleBuford
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So you’re saying we shouldn’t do what we can to help because of a bigger problem. I just don’t understand such negativity and defeatism. We’re talking about straws, for goodness’ sake! No-one is depriving you of anything you can’t live without—you and everyone else can manage perfectly well with a paper alternative. It may be a small step as far as the environment is concerned, but it’s one in the right direction. The objections are baffling.
That exactly LittleBuford. Every step doesn't have to be THE step. "Well the parks aren't powered by solar energy yet, so why bother with this" type of attitude expressed by some (not all by any means) is depressing in here. This is a little thing, that will make a little difference that will take little effort at adapt to. That's a lot of littles. How anyone can complain about this is beyond me. How entitled and convenience driven are we? I mean come on! It's a freaking tube to suck pop up! Lips work just as well!
MrPromey
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Careful with that language, bud - this is a family website!
MrPromey
Well-Known Member
Dang I didn't even think of that in that context.. where is your mind at buddy??
Like I said, it's a family website.... Obviously, you never saw "The Making of Me: Extended Cut".
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Should be plenty available now since half the people here are planning to bring their own plastic straws going forward
John park hopper
Well-Known Member
I have no problem with not using straws can't remember the last time I used one. My point is the root cause of All the environmental problems is there are simple too many people and the increasing population will only exacerbate the the environmental degradation. There was a cartoon from the 70's Pogo might have been the first Earth day "We have met the enemy and it is us" We treat the the results (don't use straws, recycle, reduce your carbon foot print etc) not the cause. When was the last time you heard any one discuss the need for population control---- you don't
GoofGoof
Premium Member
How does population control work? Are you talking about government limits on number of children or more things like educating people from poorer nations on birth control.
s8film40
Well-Known Member
A yearly purge would probably work.
John park hopper
Well-Known Member
Really don't know how you get people to limit the number of children to 2. Good start would be education. I would hate to see government get involved but at some point it may happen as resourses, food, etc can no long sustain 9 billion --15 billion and so on or more people. I won't be around to see it.
Lensman
Well-Known Member
Inspired by your post, I decided to do some Googling. Is it really true that world population is projected to rise from 7.6 billion today to 9 billion in 2070 and then decline from there due to demographic transition?
John park hopper
Well-Known Member
Just did a check Google too to inform i wasn't quoting mis information
"The median estimate for future growth sees the world population reaching 8.6 billion in 2030, 9.8 billion in 2050 and 11.2 billion by 2100 assuming a continuing decrease in average fertility rate from 2.5 births per woman in 2010–2015 to 2.2 in 2045–2050 and to 2.0 in 2095–2100, according to the medium-variant ..."
What's a billion here or there. The fact remains how you gonna feed em when there not on the farm --no farms left
"The median estimate for future growth sees the world population reaching 8.6 billion in 2030, 9.8 billion in 2050 and 11.2 billion by 2100 assuming a continuing decrease in average fertility rate from 2.5 births per woman in 2010–2015 to 2.2 in 2045–2050 and to 2.0 in 2095–2100, according to the medium-variant ..."
What's a billion here or there. The fact remains how you gonna feed em when there not on the farm --no farms left
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TheGuyThatMakesSwords
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On the bright side....
Dear Wife and I, DVC members, 12 years, we visit twice per year.
We've run into a NUMBER of "Paper Straws" in the past.... we WANT "Paper Straws".
Why?
Because rather than sitting in a "dispenser", exposed to the hands of the LAST Guest? These are sort of protected by a paper WRAPPING.
Gotta confess - if we ran up against a plastic straw, exposed? We tossed it, and ejected the NEXT straw, just to make sure we we not going to get sick.
So - perhaps better for the environment.... but ABSOLUTELY better for avoiding the "snot on handrails/straws" so-called "food poisoning" syndrome. Just us - we welcome this for HEALTH reasons.
All personal opinion - I'm not necessarily right, no one else is necessarily wrong.
Dear Wife and I, DVC members, 12 years, we visit twice per year.
We've run into a NUMBER of "Paper Straws" in the past.... we WANT "Paper Straws".
Why?
Because rather than sitting in a "dispenser", exposed to the hands of the LAST Guest? These are sort of protected by a paper WRAPPING.
Gotta confess - if we ran up against a plastic straw, exposed? We tossed it, and ejected the NEXT straw, just to make sure we we not going to get sick.
So - perhaps better for the environment.... but ABSOLUTELY better for avoiding the "snot on handrails/straws" so-called "food poisoning" syndrome
. Just us - we welcome this for HEALTH reasons.All personal opinion - I'm not necessarily right, no one else is necessarily wrong.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
Including Vacationing at Disney Parks....
Never mind, that's too much of a sacrifice.. Please put my very overpriced plastic WDW souvenir I just purchased into one of those big beautiful plastic WDW shopping bags I get for free, I got about 5 miles of theme park walking ahead of me
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
According to Oceancrusaders.org:
WOW, Yay USA !
I would have thought we were plastic pigs!
BOO China! Its no use, China will do whatever they want.... Hmm just like Disney, they do whatever they want in their parks and resorts; cut costs while raising prices... Folks just keep coming!
LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
OK, but this is a thread about plastic straws at WDW, not population control. It’s not surprising that we’re talking about the former rather than the latter (though it is is surprising that the topic is proving so controversial).
Rhinocerous
Premium Member
I, the great peacemaker, shall now attempt to find common ground on this issue. (It won't work, but I'm doing it anyway.)
CAN WE AGREE that while Disney could have much greater environmental impact by making changes in other areas and this is definitely a PR stunt and probably a cost savings, it is also a minor inconvenience for 98% of us that will become unnoticably normal in a few years, and, even if it doesn't make a huge dent, helping the environment a little bit is better than hurting it a little bit?
(Can we also agree that that was a spectacular run-on sentence?)
CAN WE AGREE that while Disney could have much greater environmental impact by making changes in other areas and this is definitely a PR stunt and probably a cost savings, it is also a minor inconvenience for 98% of us that will become unnoticably normal in a few years, and, even if it doesn't make a huge dent, helping the environment a little bit is better than hurting it a little bit?
(Can we also agree that that was a spectacular run-on sentence?)
s8film40
Well-Known Member
But can we be sure this isn’t hurting the environment a little bit? The positive impact of this is nearly nonexistent it’s so minimal, but it will in some ways be front and center in peoples perspective. A lot of times people focus in on these things to make them feel better about their impact on the environment and don’t worry as much as they might have about things that would’ve had a much larger impact. Not to mention what are the consequences of this going to be? Will people start buying far more bottled drinks? How many plastic straws equal one bottle? That’s the real problem with these type of fads, there’s no real thought put into, it’s just the cool hip thing to do at the time to make everyone who pretends to care about the environment feel better about themeselves.