News Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks

[BuddyThomas]

Read it. They provide relatively no protection compared to N95 masks. And that is if worn properly which a majority don't.

Don’t tell me to “read it” - I posted it. You claimed masks other than N95 are useless. They are NOT. This talking point from certain people has become tired, to say the least.


"Surgical masks are made of the same, or very similar, type of material as used in N95s, so the material in a surgical mask is quite capable of filtering out small particles, such as viruses in respiratory aerosols," Marr said. "Their weakness is that they are loose-fitting and do not seal to the face, so things can leak in and out of the gaps around the sides.
She said masks provide at least partial protection by reducing the amount of virus that is released by the wearer and reducing the amount breathed in from the surrounding air. "Partial protection is still useful because the more virus we inhale, the more likely we are to become infected, Marr said."
Research conducted throughout the pandemic confirms this. A September 2021 studypublished in Oxford Academic's Clinical Infectious Diseases journal found that surgical masks reduce viral shedding in aerosols from COVID-19 patients by 48% to 77%. Another study, published in the American Society for Microbiology Journals in October 2020, determined surgical masks reduce the amount of COVID-19 inhaled by the mask-wearer by about 50%.
Both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration acknowledge on their websites that surgical masks are generally meant to help protect against large droplets, splashes or sprays of possibly germy fluid. Both agencies also say that the masks should be used by the general public and health care personnel to help reduce spread.
"(The poster's) claim that surgical masks are primarily designed to protect the operative field from bacteria is correct," Dr. Michael Klompas, a hospital epidemiologist at Brigham and Woman's Hospital and professor of population medicine at Harvard Medical School, said in an email. "In terms of viruses and aerosols, (the poster is) only partly correct. (Surgical masks) provide partial protection against viral transmission. As such they lower the chances of transmission but they do not eliminate it."

 

[tallica]

Don’t tell me to “read it” - I posted it. You claimed masks other than N95 are useless. They are NOT. This talking point from certain people has become tired, to say the least.


"Surgical masks are made of the same, or very similar, type of material as used in N95s, so the material in a surgical mask is quite capable of filtering out small particles, such as viruses in respiratory aerosols," Marr said. "Their weakness is that they are loose-fitting and do not seal to the face, so things can leak in and out of the gaps around the sides.
She said masks provide at least partial protection by reducing the amount of virus that is released by the wearer and reducing the amount breathed in from the surrounding air. "Partial protection is still useful because the more virus we inhale, the more likely we are to become infected, Marr said."
Research conducted throughout the pandemic confirms this. A September 2021 studypublished in Oxford Academic's Clinical Infectious Diseases journal found that surgical masks reduce viral shedding in aerosols from COVID-19 patients by 48% to 77%. Another study, published in the American Society for Microbiology Journals in October 2020, determined surgical masks reduce the amount of COVID-19 inhaled by the mask-wearer by about 50%.
Both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration acknowledge on their websites that surgical masks are generally meant to help protect against large droplets, splashes or sprays of possibly germy fluid. Both agencies also say that the masks should be used by the general public and health care personnel to help reduce spread.
"(The poster's) claim that surgical masks are primarily designed to protect the operative field from bacteria is correct," Dr. Michael Klompas, a hospital epidemiologist at Brigham and Woman's Hospital and professor of population medicine at Harvard Medical School, said in an email. "In terms of viruses and aerosols, (the poster is) only partly correct. (Surgical masks) provide partial protection against viral transmission. As such they lower the chances of transmission but they do not eliminate it."

Never told you to read it, was stating that I read it. I can understand the confusion. I do stand by my interpretation of the article.

 

[SpectroMagician]

Don’t tell me to “read it” - I posted it. You claimed masks other than N95 are useless. They are NOT. This talking point from certain people has become tired, to say the least.


"Surgical masks are made of the same, or very similar, type of material as used in N95s, so the material in a surgical mask is quite capable of filtering out small particles, such as viruses in respiratory aerosols," Marr said. "Their weakness is that they are loose-fitting and do not seal to the face, so things can leak in and out of the gaps around the sides.
She said masks provide at least partial protection by reducing the amount of virus that is released by the wearer and reducing the amount breathed in from the surrounding air. "Partial protection is still useful because the more virus we inhale, the more likely we are to become infected, Marr said."
Research conducted throughout the pandemic confirms this. A September 2021 studypublished in Oxford Academic's Clinical Infectious Diseases journal found that surgical masks reduce viral shedding in aerosols from COVID-19 patients by 48% to 77%. Another study, published in the American Society for Microbiology Journals in October 2020, determined surgical masks reduce the amount of COVID-19 inhaled by the mask-wearer by about 50%.
Both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration acknowledge on their websites that surgical masks are generally meant to help protect against large droplets, splashes or sprays of possibly germy fluid. Both agencies also say that the masks should be used by the general public and health care personnel to help reduce spread.
"(The poster's) claim that surgical masks are primarily designed to protect the operative field from bacteria is correct," Dr. Michael Klompas, a hospital epidemiologist at Brigham and Woman's Hospital and professor of population medicine at Harvard Medical School, said in an email. "In terms of viruses and aerosols, (the poster is) only partly correct. (Surgical masks) provide partial protection against viral transmission. As such they lower the chances of transmission but they do not eliminate it."

"CNN medical analyst Leana Wen said on Monday that cloth masks are useless in preventing the spread of the Omicron variant of the coronavirus. “Don’t wear a cloth mask,” she continued. “Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There’s no place for them in light of Omicron.”"

Of course the propagandaists at Google has taken down basically every video of it on YouTube.

 

[Disneyfanman]

I witnessed a very traumatizing scene a couple days this past Christmas.

A little kid ran off from her family inside in the Disney Springs Lime garage. The father was not very happy, he chased her down and dragged her back to their car. I didn't think much of it when I walked by. But as my family and I were getting inside the car....I heard a cracking sound against the concrete pavement in the distance. I also didn't think much of it....then it rang again, and again, and again....along with the sheer cry of a little girl. It finally clicked in my head without even looking..

My dad and I immediately got out of the car and saw it in plain view. The little girl was lying on the ground out in the open parking lane and her father had his belt out...whipping her!! I was very much in disbelief and soon some other adults gathered around. One (brave) dude approached the father and they started shouting at each other. We and other people called for security, but my dad wanted to get out of there just in case it turns for the worst. The dad and the other guy kept shouting each other, face to face, when we drove away. We also passed security in golf carts approaching the scene. All in all there were probably 10 or so on lookers, including us. I thank that dude for intervening. Another family grabbed the girl and carried her away while the girl's family tried to grab her back and argue as well.

That picture remained in my head for the rest of my trip. My younger sister was very affected and cried for hours because of the thought of the little kid. The worst part? The mom, some other family members, and what seemed like an older brother all stood around and did nothing. That right there is telling...I could even recall the mom smirking or something.

Absolutely disgusting. I hope that child got help and taken away from such abusive parent(s). Knowing the garages are full of cameras, especially near the escalators where this took place, I hope all the evidence is there besides witnesses.

I searched the news and Twitter for any reports of this, but none. I wished I took a video or something, but calling for help was probably a better idea. I'm still kinda shaken from it, and this thread made me suddenly remember it since the following days at the parks helped bury that scene in my head..

I feel the need to weigh in on this. I’ve never taken a belt to my kids and I never received a belt whipping either. I don’t care what others think. I would have been screaming at that man and would have called the cops. This story leaves me shaken. I cannot imagine a scenario where this is OK. Set aside my not agreeing with the approach (parents are different in how they discipline their kids), doing this in public is awful. Just awful. I cannot see how this can be defended.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

There was like one car going around iirc. It's okay to discipline, but at the point of doing it in public in front of other families and children (at Disney), with a belt, about 10 times within a short span....I think that's just too much. Especially when the mom nor whoever in their party didn't even try to intervene to say that's enough.

I was disciplined with a hand plenty of times as a child, but I got the memo eventually. But my parents never dared to do it in public. We would just leave the beach, park, etc. if I acted up and they had enough. Saved the shouting for the car ride home lol

I guess it's also due to the fact that we're at Disney and the bubble. Never would I imagine I witnessed that.

After my first couple spanking all it took was for my dad to say “do it again and it’s a spanking” and I’d stop.

There’s a line between punishment and abuse though, 10 is way over that line in my opinion. A spanking or 2 get the point across, beyond that seems like it’s intended to simply inflict pain rather than teach a lesson.

 

[BuddyThomas]

"CNN medical analyst Leana Wen said on Monday that cloth masks are useless in preventing the spread of the Omicron variant of the coronavirus. “Don’t wear a cloth mask,” she continued. “Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There’s no place for them in light of Omicron.”"

Of course the propagandaists at Google has taken down basically every video of it on YouTube.

That's delightful news. Also, I never even mentioned cloth masks. I was discussing surgical masks. But this is par for the course on this thread.

 

[gerarar]

I feel the need to weigh in on this. I’ve never taken a belt to my kids and I never received a belt whipping either. I don’t care what others think. I would have been screaming at that man and would have called the cops. This story leaves me shaken. I cannot imagine a scenario where this is OK. Set aside my not agreeing with the approach (parents are different in how they discipline their kids), doing this in public is awful. Just awful. I cannot see how this can be defended.

Totally agree. I wished I had done more, but glad other people stepped in while we called for help.

After my first couple spanking all it took was for my dad to say “do it again and it’s a spanking” and I’d stop.

There’s a line between punishment and abuse though, 10 is way over that line in my opinion. A spanking or 2 get the point across, beyond that seems like it’s intended to simply inflict pain rather than teach a lesson.

Yeah, at that point if the sheer cry of your child doesn't get you to stop, nothing will. It's just sickening to have that sound and graphic picture embedded in my head now.

 

[Trauma]

Don’t tell me to “read it” - I posted it. You claimed masks other than N95 are useless. They are NOT. This talking point from certain people has become tired, to say the least.


"Surgical masks are made of the same, or very similar, type of material as used in N95s, so the material in a surgical mask is quite capable of filtering out small particles, such as viruses in respiratory aerosols," Marr said. "Their weakness is that they are loose-fitting and do not seal to the face, so things can leak in and out of the gaps around the sides.
She said masks provide at least partial protection by reducing the amount of virus that is released by the wearer and reducing the amount breathed in from the surrounding air. "Partial protection is still useful because the more virus we inhale, the more likely we are to become infected, Marr said."
Research conducted throughout the pandemic confirms this. A September 2021 studypublished in Oxford Academic's Clinical Infectious Diseases journal found that surgical masks reduce viral shedding in aerosols from COVID-19 patients by 48% to 77%. Another study, published in the American Society for Microbiology Journals in October 2020, determined surgical masks reduce the amount of COVID-19 inhaled by the mask-wearer by about 50%.
Both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration acknowledge on their websites that surgical masks are generally meant to help protect against large droplets, splashes or sprays of possibly germy fluid. Both agencies also say that the masks should be used by the general public and health care personnel to help reduce spread.
"(The poster's) claim that surgical masks are primarily designed to protect the operative field from bacteria is correct," Dr. Michael Klompas, a hospital epidemiologist at Brigham and Woman's Hospital and professor of population medicine at Harvard Medical School, said in an email. "In terms of viruses and aerosols, (the poster is) only partly correct. (Surgical masks) provide partial protection against viral transmission. As such they lower the chances of transmission but they do not eliminate it."

This is great and all but we don’t need to wear masks anymore.

If you want to wear a mask, wear whatever makes you happy.

 

[tallica]

That's delightful news. Also, I never even mentioned cloth masks. I was discussing surgical masks. But this is par for the course on this thread.

in the full video she explains the major short comings of surgical masks also. She then explains why N95 are the only masks effective against covid transmission.

 

[RoyWalley]

For anybody at the parks today, please report what percentage of guests you see still wearing masks. This information will give good insight into what percentage of people who "feel safe" going to WDW actually want to be masked while there.

I was at Disney Springs all afternoon and we left around 7pm and I would say maybe 10% of the people wore masks, that’s indoors and out. The majority did not have masks. We did not mask at all accept when we had to wear them on the bus.
I felt very safe going, can’t wait to hit Epcot tomorrow.

 

[correcaminos]

in the full video she explains the major short comings of surgical masks also. She then explains why N95 are the only masks effective against covid transmission.

The major short comings of them are the fit. There are soooo many ways around that. Odd to me how pushing for N95s is the new anti-mask argument.

I was at Disney Springs all afternoon and we left around 7pm and I would say maybe 10% of the people wore masks, that’s indoors and out. The majority did not have masks. We did not mask at all accept when we had to wear them on the bus.
I felt very safe going, can’t wait to hit Epcot tomorrow.

Thanks for reporting. Way higher than what my friend saw today.

I do wonder how the bus/monorail will shake down in a week or two.

 

[Tom P.]

The major short comings of them are the fit. There are soooo many ways around that. Odd to me how pushing for N95s is the new anti-mask argument.


Thanks for reporting. Way higher than what my friend saw today.

I do wonder how the bus/monorail will shake down in a week or two.

I don't think anyone is really pushing for N95's. Rather, people are trying to show that the masks that the vast, vast majority of people have worn throughout the pandemic, and which satisfy all mask mandates, are generally not particularly effective, especially against omicron.

But just to illustrate that the "anti-maskers" (of which I am definitely one) are not monolithic, let me just say rather than pushing for N95s, I believe that all masks for average citizens, from cloth to N95, should be burned in each town in a giant bonfire and we should have a new national holiday where we celebrate the removal of the masks and then there should be a constitutional amendment banning their use by a non-medical professional ever again.

 

[JenniferS]

The most unacceptable thing moving forward will be for someone to shame someone else for wearing a mask.

Anyone who chooses to wear a mask should get treated with the utmost respect. Who knows what issues they are dealing with.

As much as I hate masking it’s important we create an environment where people feel comfortable doing so.

I am going to DL this Sunday for six days. I will wear my mask the majority of the time, irrespective of the rule change.
a) I live in Ontario, Canada where mask mandates have existed since September/2020. It’s what I know. It’s what we do.
b) More importantly, I have to pass a PCR test in order to get back into Canada. If I catch COVID during my trip, it will be a very expensive out-of-country quarantine for me.

And yes, I have received three doses. So have many of my friends and relatives that came down with Omicron in the past two months.

 

[correcaminos]

I don't think anyone is really pushing for N95's. Rather, people are trying to show that the masks that the vast, vast majority of people have worn throughout the pandemic, and which satisfy all mask mandates, are generally not particularly effective, especially against omicron.

But just to illustrate that the "anti-maskers" (of which I am definitely one) are not monolithic, let me just say rather than pushing for N95s, I believe that all masks for average citizens, from cloth to N95, should be burned in each town in a giant bonfire and we should have a new national holiday where we celebrate the removal of the masks and then there should be a constitutional amendment banning their use by a non-medical professional ever again.

Ban them? No thanks. People who are undergoing treatments of certain types have worn them for years. Hatred of this level is extreme. Oh and yes, there are many who say n95 or nothing.... knowing full well that's impossible

 

[Patcheslee]

I understand children can be difficult but you are at Disney World. It’s so easy to find consequences! Maybe Cindy doesn’t get a new toy that day? Hell, I’m not above getting dessert for my wife and I and leaving misbehaving kids without. When they see my ginormous cupcake, the behavior turns around real quick!

I take away books, odd as it is timeouts, toys taken, etc. didn't work. Ban her from a book for an hour and she straightens up quickly. Even the after school program used it as alternative lol.
The only close to negative reaction I've experienced is a CM on Safari getting onto DD to sit down, she had stood enough to get on my lap because she couldn't see. Thats to be expected and she was doing her job, nothing more. Beyond that nothing I recall.
Positive I remember a CM sending us back around SM for a reride after I guess seeing DDs reaction the first time on it. The train engineers have a good 30 minute conversation with DH about trains. CM at CBR having a good laugh with us when she found us lost in a downpour our first night trying to find our room.

 

[Artemicon]

There was like one car going around iirc. It's okay to discipline, but at the point of doing it in public in front of other families and children (at Disney), with a belt, about 10 times within a short span....I think that's just too much. Especially when the mom nor whoever in their party didn't even try to intervene to say that's enough.

I was disciplined with a hand plenty of times as a child, but I got the memo eventually. But my parents never dared to do it in public. We would just leave the beach, park, etc. if I acted up and they had enough. Saved the shouting for the car ride home lol

I guess it's also due to the fact that we're at Disney and the bubble. Never would I imagine I witnessed that.

First, I agree with you. Ten times is beyond a lesson at that point and seems excessive. Couple that with a belt and it's bordering into abuse, if not already there. What the father did was wrong and excessive.

That said... I remember very well running through a restaurant acting like a brat and going out of my parents vision several times, after my dad asked me to stop. As I ran by our table, my dad caught me spanked me a few times and told me something like "it's going to be worse next time". I remember it not hurting very much, but I do vividly remember looking at other families and the children laughing/snickering or parents looking at me with shame. The shame of that event is still with me today, and I never acted out in public again.

I know my dad hated doing that because he barely hit me, and when he did, he always said that this hurts me worse that it does you. I didn't understand that phrase until I got older, and I feel what he meant then.

I want the best for my children, and never want to see them hurt, but if someone ever took my child away from me when I was disciplining them, god help them.

 

[Incomudro]

My sons (twin boys) are 20 now.
They never ran away from me.
They never left a table in a restaurant, left my side while walking (they usually held my hand anyway) they never ran off anywhere, climbed on anything etc.
And I never hit them.
If a parent raises their kid with effort and consistency the kid knows what's expected of them and doesn't run off.

 

[Purduevian]

Of course the propagandaists at Google has taken down basically every video of it on YouTube.

Links Youtube video...

 

[Artemicon]

My sons (twin boys) are 20 now.
They never ran away from me.
They never left a table in a restaurant, left my side while walking (they usually held my hand anyway) they never ran off anywhere, climbed on anything etc.
And I never hit them.
If a parent raises their kid with effort and consistency the kid knows what's expected of them and doesn't run off.

That's good to hear. I hope you still have compassion for those who have difference experiences as yourself, and don't look down on others who have them.

 

[baymenxpac]

glad this thread hasn't gone off the rails at all...