News Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks

[danv3]

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky cites the fact that due to higher viral load, vaccinated are also believed to be able to spread the virus.

Right. Any evidence of the extent to which masks help in that context?

 

[Crunchie9]

No. Absolutely not. That does not apply to saving other people's lives. Don't go there. Your choice is to stay home.

Saving people’s lives.

im not going to get into what a life is but I find this debatable at worst……….

 

[Heelz2315]

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky cites the fact that due to higher viral load, vaccinated are also believed to be able to spread the virus.

I want to see the data....I don't want to hear "may be transmissible" or "could shed the virus". They saw some info/data/numbers.....before I change anything I want to see what that is. If it's the same as symptomatic transmission breakthrough in fully vaxxed people (.0001) no way in hades will I follow this new guidance.

It's got to be higher than that for me to comply.

 

[mgf]

Is there any real evidence and proof that places that required masks did better than those places that did not? I know there are instances in Texas and Florida where cases actually went down so honest question because I haven’t seen any real data on that one way or the other….just assumptions that well masks may help block particles so it’s gotta slow the spread…but did it?

Someone already mentioned K-12, so I will add higher ed. The CDC has always advocated for multiple mitigation steps to include masks *AND* distancing *AND* increased ventilation, larger room sizes, etc, etc. When a layered approach is taken and compliance is enforced and/or very high then transmission risk in that environment can be kept extremely low to nearly zero.

 

[CLBMN]

Okay, but everyone here keeps arguing more vaccinations will stop the spread. It clearly didn’t in Israel. I’m saying what I’ve said all along. This is a virus. In order for it to exist, it can’t kill us all off. The variants is its way of fighting to keep living and existing. This is literally natural selection. How do you explain how some people can be in a room full of sick people and not catch it? When all this came out, they kept saying certain blood types were more prone to catching it and being more severely sick. What happened to all that science? Because I truly think this virus does attack certain people more and more severely. If we could answer that, maybe we could actually find a vaccine that works. I have a client that just tested positive with the variant. Her husband was sick at the start of all this to the point where they thought he’d have to go to the hospital. She was around him the entire time and never caught it. She’s now fully vaccinated and caught it at a work party.

You may want to educate yourself on how this works with a pandemic and the epidimiology.
Not knowing the science of these leads to suppositions and just uneducated personal opinions.
This is how the media does this generally, which leads to misinformed people. This is what we are seeing now.
No one ever said that the vaccines are 100% in prevention.

Take care all.

 

[CLBMN]

Same as yours. I think it’s common sense.
When you study things, you always keep at least one variable the same. If we keep changing the variables, we cannot say one way or the other. You can’t compare two completely different things to the original. Sure, if you said the original Covid seems to infect less vaccinated people I could understand that because that was around long enough without a vaccination to actually be able to compare. But when you are seeing a new variant go around that we truly haven’t concluded is any more or less deadly, although more people report mild cold like symptoms, we can’t say that is would be any different on how it’s spreading and behaving with or without a vaccine.

Hahaha......a medical degree has nothing to do with common sense unless you have the comprehensive education behind it. Lots of physicians don't have it; we have all met them.

Simplifying research approaches does not apply here and usually does not in clinical/medical science.
Observational clinical/science studies are considered clinically significant.
Take care. ☺

 

[Sandurz]

We certainly know that cases didn’t skyrocket in Texas when it dropped its mask requirement this spring, despite warnings.

That was pre Delta though. we obviously had several months where yes, mask requirements rolling back combined with increasing vaccinations had us in a good place collectively. But to ignore the surge in hospitalizations would just be silly, it’s proof that something is different.

 

[CJR]

I want to see the data....I don't want to hear "may be transmissible" or "could shed the virus". They saw some info/data/numbers.....before I change anything I want to see what that is. If it's the same as symptomatic transmission breakthrough in fully vaxxed people (.0001) no way in hades will I follow this new guidance.

It's got to be higher than that for me to comply.

The real truth, the one they don't want to publicly say for some reason, is that this change in guidance is not really about vaccinated people.

Since they cannot find a way to police who is vaccinated and who is not, in the form of a vaccine passport, they are forced to treat everyone the same until the numbers go down. There have been too many unvaccinated people walking around without a mask, pretending to be vaccinated. If everyone is forced to mask up indoors, they will no longer be able to do that.

With any luck, it won't last long either, maybe just a matter of weeks if cases plummet.

 

[Trauma]

There would have been more 600K dead worldwide if those 110K businesses remained open during the pandemic so there's that.

They don’t mean closed like took a few days off.

They mean closed out of business not coming back.

Everyone lost their job and families that worked their entire lives to build that business are devastated.

 

[Heelz2315]

The real truth, the one they don't want to publicly say for some reason, is that this change in guidance has is not really about vaccinated people.

Since they cannot find a way to police who is vaccinated and who is not, in the form of a vaccine passport, they are forced to treat everyone the same until the numbers go down. There have been too many unvaccinated people walking around without a mask, pretending to be vaccinated. If everyone is forced to mask up indoors, they will no longer be able to do that.

With any luck, it won't last long either, maybe just a matter of weeks if cases plummet.

I tend to agree, and that's one thing that really makes me mad. I am treated as the ones who have not been vaccinated. It makes me feel almost like I did it for nothing. I am glad I took care of myself and my family, but in the overall goal I didn't do much to end all this, that's how I feel.

As far as lasting long, I am unsure. They (the CDC) have so much egg on their face, they won't make any changes for a while. Maybe till Spring.

 

[Incomudro]

You're wrong and this is dangerous misinformation - N95s are designed specifically to protect the wearer, which is why medical professionals dealing with COVID patients wear them, to protect themselves from catching COVID while they work with infected people.

However, N95 masks are not an unlimited resource, and there was a shortage at the beginning of the Pandemic, so regular people were discouraged from buying them because Medical Professionals NEEDED them to help treat COVID patients. Doctors and Nurses were dying from lack of N95 masks because regular people were buying them up, not understanding that an N95 Mask only works properly if fitted to you by a professional. So N95s would be wasted on the average person.

Instead, regular Cloth Masks were encouraged for the general public as Source Control rather than Respiratory Protection. Cloth masks would stop sick people from spreading COVID and getting others sick, and since many people were asymptomatic for weeks it was impossible to know who actually WAS sick, so EVERYONE was told to wear them. But Source Control only works if everyone partakes, since Cloth Masks don't stop COVID from getting into an uninfected person, they only stop them from getting out of an infected one. Since it can still be weeks before an infected person shows signs of being infected, people are encouraged to assume they ARE infected and wear a mask to prevent the chance of spreading their potentially infected droplets. Regulations are different to account for Vaccination status, but this is the baseline.

So yes, wearing a Cloth Mask (or other, non-N95 Mask) IS about protecting other people, because the only mask capable of actually offering Respiratory Protection to the wearer was in dangerously short supply. Production has gone up since, but again, you need to be fitted properly for it to to effective, so unless you have a professional who can fit it to you there is no point in trying to wear an N95 to protect yourself.

Look up Source Control vs. Respiratory Protection if you need to understand more.

Two caveots:

N95's are not a waste on an average person.
It's not that difficult to get a good fit - certainly easier than it is to get a good fit on a cloth mask, and that N95 will work better than any cloth mask. (yes, there was a big problem with citizens buying them up, when front line workers needed them most)

Cloth masks don't stop sick people from spreading covid.
At best, they reduce the rate of spread.
To what degree that reduction is out in the real world, there is little idea.

 

[Trauma]

All of this seems very fishy to me.

I guess that’s what happens when you start to lose trust in the CDC.

 

[Touchdown]

Everyone on both sides is mad the CDC isn’t supporting their view of the world, tells me they aren’t biased. Usually when a safety agency has both sides upset with it it usually means it’s speaking an unpopular truth and not kowtowing to both sides.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Right. Any evidence of the extent to which masks help in that context?

The same studies that have been posted here dozens of times.

 

[Trauma]

Why this is fishy, so you can all attack me with your complete trust in the government.

You can’t make me believe they didn’t know this was coming.

Some of the smartest people in the world in their respective fields.

They already knew what Delta was.

They had data from UK etc.

Why did they not bring masks back weeks ago?

Why let it get out of control first ?

So are they just bad at their job and couldn’t figure out what everyone here has been saying would happen for weeks now?

I hope that’s the case, otherwise I’m left to assume that they waited for it to get so bad they could make the change without getting egg on their face.

Why now?

This should have happened weeks ago.

 

[Touchdown]

Why this is fishy, so you can all attack me with your complete trust in the government.

You can’t make me believe they didn’t know this was coming.

Some of the smartest people in the world in their respective fields.

They already knew what Delta was.

They had data from UK etc.

Why did they not bring masks back weeks ago?

Why let it get out of control first ?

So are they just bad at their job and couldn’t figure out what everyone here has been saying would happen for weeks now?

I hope that’s the case, otherwise I’m left to assume that they waited for it to get so bad they could make the change without getting egg on their face.

Why now?

This should have happened weeks ago.

Why is it that you can’t accept that they got new data from a study that suggested that vaccinated people can possibly transmit Covid?

Do you have more information to back your unfounded questioning of one of the premiere infectious disease research organizations on the planet?

Do you have the credentials to explain why I should listen to you over them?

Just asking questions…

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Is there any real evidence and proof that places that required masks did better than those places that did not? I know there are instances in Texas and Florida where cases actually went down so honest question because I haven’t seen any real data on that one way or the other….just assumptions that well masks may help block particles so it’s gotta slow the spread…but did it?

Yes, there is real evidence.

Trends in County-Level COVID-19 Incidence in Counties With ...

This report describes COVID-19 incidence in Kansas counties with and without mask mandates.

www.cdc.gov

The governor of Kansas issued an executive order requiring wearing masks in public spaces, effective July 3, 2020, which was subject to county authority to opt out. After July 3, COVID-19 incidence decreased in 24 counties with mask mandates but continued to increase in 81 counties without mask mandates.

Comparing the weeks of 7/3/20-7/9/20 and 8/17/20-8/23/20, new cases per 100,000 people in the Kansas counties with a mask mandate dropped 6%. Counties without a mask mandate saw new cases per 100,000 people increase 100% during that same period. That's a very big difference.

 

[Trauma]

Why is it that you can’t accept that they got new data from a study that suggested that vaccinated people can possibly transmit Covid?

Do you have more information to back your unfounded questioning of one of the premiere infectious disease research organizations on the planet?

Do you have the credentials to explain why I should listen to you over them?

Just asking questions…

Ok so the change is made because the vaccinated can spread covid.

Has nothing to do with the explosion of cases that even people without credentials could see coming weeks ago.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[KrzyKtty]

How can anyone have any trust with the CDC when they truly seem to be in the 'control' camp of the current Administration.
This is all about gaining more and more control and loss of individual freedoms. Stop the spread - with the southern border being open and no government testing???

Once again... getting to close to political which moderators have said aren't allowed.

 

[Chi84]

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky cites the fact that due to higher viral load, vaccinated are also believed to be able to spread the virus.

I listened to the audio of the CDC media briefing and the following questions - you can find it on the CDC's website. I highly recommend it for those who want to know what was actually said, especially about the vaccinated being able to spread the virus.

Walensky emphasized several times that the vaccinated are responsible for only a very small amount of transmission in those situations where they have a breakthrough case and that the vast, vast majority of virus transmission is coming from the unvaccinated. She said that data concerning the initial strain showed no transmission by vaccinated people. She then explained how delta differs and that it was important to update guidance so, for example, a person who has been vaccinated may want to take extra precautions around an immunocompromised person. Listening to the briefing gave me a better understanding of why guidance was being changed.

I've read some media reports this morning that make it sound as though there's no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated people in spreading this virus. That's the typical kind of wild overreaction that feeds people who will latch onto any reason to avoid getting vaccinated.