News Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks

[KrzyKtty]

I think some people out there need to get some basic intelligence. If they are so simple minded they can't understand a very basic concept I'm not sure what else to say.

Nobody has ever said the vaccine is 100% effective. Therefore when we are seeing huge increases in numbers it would seem obvious that more needs to be done. Masks and distancing got the Disney area down to 5%. Unvaccinated people carrying on like there is no problem have now moved that back to 16% as of yesterday. It isn't working.

The bolded parts are the key here really. After this last year, large groups of people have proven to me that they are incredibly short sited and lacking key critical thinking skills.

 

[disneygeek90]

If you start telling the vaccinated to mask up and social distance again (not just in Disney, but across the country) you're going create an ugly situation. You can't hold half the country back because the other half disagrees with vaccines. What happened to my body my choice? The line in the sand has been drawn. If you know the vaccinated are safe, focus on the unvaccinated who are still unsure.

You guys do realize that many areas around the world have gone back and forth when things get out of hand, right?

No one is asking that restrictions go back in place for the next 15 months. But there is validity in pushing further restrictions out temporarily when central Florida is back to January numbers until we see that drop back down a bit.

 

[FantasiaMickey2000]

I think some people out there need to get some basic intelligence. If they are so simple minded they can't understand a very basic concept I'm not sure what else to say.

Nobody has ever said the vaccine is 100% effective. Therefore when we are seeing huge increases in numbers it would seem obvious that more needs to be done. Masks and distancing got the Disney area down to 5%. Unvaccinated people carrying on like there is no problem have now moved that back to 16% as of yesterday. It isn't working.

No basic intelligence says masking doesn’t permanently solve anything. Let’s say masking is 100% effective and we mask up and drive down the virus levels to 0.5%. Then masks come off and slowly virus levels start to rise until they say we have to mask up again. This will be a never ending cycle until the end of time. Masking up isn’t working, only vaccines will work at driving down spread and getting it to the point where even positive tests result in mild or asymptomatic cases.

We should either make vaccines mandatory for everyone or just say the vaccines out there, you’re on your own to get it. Enough with the cycle of mask on + social distance -> social mask off + distance reduced -> mask on + social distance. It doesn’t work. Anyone who’s been alive over the last 18 months and watched the ebbs and flows can see that. Only the vaccine works.

 

[RSoxNo1]

All bringing back mask mandates does is punish the vaccinated and give a pass to the unvaccinated. Great message.

It also saves lives. One minor benefit.

 

[Ayla]

What's the point then? If the vaccine is not working, why get it? That's essentially what this is telling the people who have yet to receive a vaccine.

This is saying that layers of protection don't hurt. Unvaccinated Americans see, "the vaccine doesn't work".

If the vaccine works, you don't need a mask. It either works or doesn't.

It's easy to understand for most people that the vaccine prevents you from ending up in the hospital and/or dead from covid if you do get it.

It can't be made any simpler than that. Get the vaccine and get covid, you won't die. Don't get the vaccine and get covid? Well, that's a game of chance.

 

[3WaltFans]

ehh... I understand your point but you would cancel just for having to wear a mask for a few minutes in air conditioning?

A few minutes, LOL. I am looking at the MDE now and its a 65 minute wait for PPF. Then its another 75 minutes for HM and the beat goes on. WDW is very cheap on AC. Add up all those "few minutes" that you are wearing masks, now its 8-10 hours a day, if not more.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

It also saves lives. One minor benefit.

But it also might not if it drastically reduces the number of new daily vaccinations (which it likely would).

 

[KrzyKtty]

You guys do realize that many areas around the world have gone back and forth when things get out of hand, right?

No one is asking that restrictions go back in place for the next 15 months. But there is validity in pushing further restrictions out temporarily when central Florida is back to January numbers until we see that drop back down a bit.

True, but the rest of the world isn't the United States. I could go into a whole host of examples as to how incredibly different and pig headed we can be, but I'm going to try to keep politics out of this . Merica!! Lol.

 

[mikejs78]

The World Health Organization on Friday urged fully vaccinated people to continue to wear masks, social distance and practice other Covid-19 pandemic safety measures as the highly contagious delta variant spreads rapidly across the globe.

“People cannot feel safe just because they had the two doses. They still need to protect themselves,” Dr. Mariangela Simao, WHO assistant director-general for access to medicines and health products, said during a news briefing from the agency’s Geneva headquarters.

“Vaccine alone won’t stop community transmission,” Simao added. “People need to continue to use masks consistently, be in ventilated spaces, hand hygiene ... the physical distance, avoid crowding. This still continues to be extremely important, even if you’re vaccinated when you have a community transmission ongoing.”

WHO urges fully vaccinated people to continue to wear masks as delta Covid variant spreads

"People cannot feel safe just because they had the two doses. They still need to protect themselves," WHO official Dr. Mariangela Simao told reporters.

www.cnbc.com

What's the point then? If the vaccine is not working, why get it? That's essentially what this is telling the people who have yet to receive a vaccine.

This is saying that layers of protection don't hurt. Unvaccinated Americans see, "the vaccine doesn't work".

If the vaccine works, you don't need a mask. It either works or doesn't.

Vaccines work on two levels - the individual level and the community level. They protect the individual to a certain extent, and help them not get the disease or serious disease. But there are still enough people with the vaccine who have gotten seriously ill or died. It's still a far less number than the on vaccinated, but it's still a number.

The second level that vaccines work on is the community level. It's like links in a chain. The more people who are vaccinated, the less the virus spreads, and the less the virus can spread. Your chance of getting COVID even vaccinated increases in an area with a highly contagious strain and low vaccination rates.

It isn't everyone's best interest to not only get vaccinated themselves, but to have high vaccination rates throughout the country. The CDC tried to tie vaccinations with no longer needing masks, but what ended up happening is nobody wore masks anymore regardless of vaccination status. Remember, the CDC guidance is that only vaccinated people don't have to wear masks. That obviously has not worked in with a much higher transmissible strain, we are in for a world of hurt. As hospitalization and death rates increase across the South and elsewhere, More and more vaccine people start to catch the disease and there will be more and more severe disease.

Also, with the increase in community transmission among the unvaccinated, we significantly increase our chances of a variant that gets around the vaccines in the future.

To me, masking right now even though I'm vaccinated makes sense to help stop community transmission. We either need to do something to up vaccination rates, which have slowed to a crawl despite the removal of mask, mandates everywhere, or we need to have universal masking to ensure that the unvaccinated wear masks enough so we can get community transition down and prevent future variants that blow up the whole recovery.

And again, there is a whole segment of the population that cannot get a vaccine, And I don't think it's good to Lock kids away for the next 6 months because some adults are too childish to put a small piece of fabric over their faces for a few more months.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

We should start looking at COVID the way we treat the flu. Like the flu, vaccines would help prevent you from getting it. Now, you could still get COVID even if vaccinated because from a different variant. However, the severity would be less. During swine flu season in 2008, I still got the flu after getting the flu vaccine. Why? I got a strain that wasn't in the vaccine (H1NB that would have been in the shot but for swine flu that year) but it kept the symptoms down. We just need to get to the point of an annual COVID vaccine, if that is what it takes, and move on with our lives rather than the continual living in fear.

What covid has taught me is that simple things like wearing a mask when there's illness going around can help me from getting sick. Even when things do go back to normal (I'm still working from home at this point until I can get a vaccine) I plan on wearing a mask from now on when there's a bug going around and overall just being more aware of hand washing and cleanliness. I don't consider it living in fear. As an asthmatic who can get extremely sick from these things but who hasn't been sick for the past year, in spite of going places like WDW, I consider it common sense.

 

[mikejs78]

But it also might not if it drastically reduces the number of new daily vaccinations (which it likely would).

The number of new daily vaccinations has already slowed to a crawl. I doubt it could get much lower.

 

[wdwmagic]

But it also might not if it drastically reduces the number of new daily vaccinations (which it likely would).

From listening to all of the Orange County briefings over the past few months, it really seems to be the case now that everyone who really wants the vaccine over the age of 12 has it. It is now a hard sell to trying to convince the remaining 40%. Something needs to drastically change in Orange County to get things back under control. Triple the number of cases over a 3 week period is obviously a very bad situation and can't be allowed to carry on unchecked.

 

[3WaltFans]

From the UK today.

Sixty percent of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 have had two doses of a coronavirus vaccine, according to the government's chief scientific adviser.

COVID-19: Vallance corrects mistake to say 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus are unvaccinated

Earlier, Sir Patrick Vallance told a news conference 60% of coronavirus-related hospital admissions were double-jabbed people - but he later corrected himself.

news.sky.com

We should all just stay home.

 

[mikejs78]

What covid has taught me is that simple things like wearing a mask when there's illness going around can help me from getting sick. Even when things do go back to normal (I'm still working from home at this point until I can get a vaccine) I plan on wearing a mask from now on when there's a bug going around and overall just being more aware of hand washing and cleanliness. I don't consider it living in fear. As an asthmatic who can get extremely sick from these things but who hasn't been sick for the past year, in spite of going places like WDW, I consider it common sense.

Once this is over, I probably won't wear a mask much, except on public transportation. I remember many a time in the commuter rail where some guy behind me was hacking up a lung, And a few days later I was miserable with a really bad cold or the flu. One silver lining from this past year as I actually didn't get sick once.

 

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

A few minutes, LOL. I am looking at the MDE now and its a 65 minute wait for PPF. Then its another 75 minutes for HM and the beat goes on. WDW is very cheap on AC. Add up all those "few minutes" that you are wearing masks, now its 8-10 hours a day, if not more.

Both of those queues are mostly outdoors.... no?

 

[pdude81]

I would think (IMO) that IF they reinstated the policy for indoor mask wearing (a big if IMO) that it would be the same as right before they got rid of masks, meaning that you would have to wear it in all queue lines. That would be quite a bit longer that a few minutes, and in many cases not air conditioning.

We were there in the transition - mid trip the rule changed. There is a huge difference to not having to wear a masks in lines. I didn't think it would be that big a deal, but honestly I would not go back if a mask rule for indoors was reinstated. Not a shot. The trip was so much better after the mask rule went away - and this comes from someone that was wearing my mask constantly before the trip.

The masking in outdoor queues never really made a whole lot of sense once they dropped universal masking. Just like making people wear masks for photopass from 25 feet didn't make sense ever. I think they were just trying to wind down on the masking guidelines and couldn't go full stop from ludicrous speed.

I think an indoor only mandate would be a tolerable step for most guests. Otherwise they're going to have to consider social distancing again while these numbers increase. And they sure don't have the space they did last spring with this many people in the parks.

 

[CJR]

I think some people out there need to get some basic intelligence. If they are so simple minded they can't understand a very basic concept I'm not sure what else to say.

Nobody has ever said the vaccine is 100% effective. Therefore when we are seeing huge increases in numbers it would seem obvious that more needs to be done. Masks and distancing got the Disney area down to 5%. Unvaccinated people carrying on like there is no problem have now moved that back to 16% as of yesterday. It isn't working.

That's the point. The very people not getting vaccinated are these people you can't understand. Tossing masks on vaccinated guests at Disney World isn't going to stop these wreckless people from being wreckless outside of Disney World. It's not a real solution to a problem, IMO.

 

[FantasiaMickey2000]

From the UK today.

Sixty percent of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 have had two doses of a coronavirus vaccine, according to the government's chief scientific adviser.

COVID-19: Vallance corrects mistake to say 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus are unvaccinated

Earlier, Sir Patrick Vallance told a news conference 60% of coronavirus-related hospital admissions were double-jabbed people - but he later corrected himself.

news.sky.com

Do we know that they are in the hospital BECAUSE of COVID or are they in the hospital WITH the virus.

From the CDC in June, “The CDC received 3,907 reports of people who have been hospitalized with breakthrough Covid infections, despite being fully vaccinated. Of those, more than 1,000 of those patients were asymptomatic or their hospitalizations weren’t related to Covid-19, the CDC said.”

CDC says roughly 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid breakthrough infections after vaccination

At least 750 fully vaccinated people have died after contracting Covid but the CDC noted that 142 of those fatalities were asymptomatic or unrelated to Covid.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Disney Glimpses]

The number of new daily vaccinations has already slowed to a crawl. I doubt it could get much lower.

From listening to all of the Orange County briefings over the past few months, it really seems to be the case now that everyone who really wants the vaccine over the age of 12 has it. It is now a hard sell to trying to convince the remaining 40%. Something needs to drastically change in Orange County to get things back under control. Triple the number of cases over a 3 week period is obviously a very bad situation and can't be allowed to carry on unchecked.

Fair enough.

 

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

I would think (IMO) that IF they reinstated the policy for indoor mask wearing (a big if IMO) that it would be the same as right before they got rid of masks, meaning that you would have to wear it in all queue lines. That would be quite a bit longer that a few minutes, and in many cases not air conditioning.

We were there in the transition - mid trip the rule changed. There is a huge difference to not having to wear a masks in lines. I didn't think it would be that big a deal, but honestly I would not go back if a mask rule for indoors was reinstated. Not a shot. The trip was so much better after the mask rule went away - and this comes from someone that was wearing my mask constantly before the trip.

They weren't always making people wear them in the outdoor queues tho. I think they did for the first few days then changed it.