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Disney is a struggling company. I don’t see an end in sight.
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erasure fan1
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First off, you sure trigger easily. Why do you post with such anger all the time? If you can't understand the antagonistic way lucasfilm has done business, I can't help you.
Uh, Lucas himself wasn't happy with the "vision". Kennedy even admitted it in an interview and said, but he appreciates the filmmaking.
I know you like to stick up for all things Disney and you get very bent out of shape when someone speaks against them. But the toxic fan is you. You are the one calling people toxic. I said what I said because I hold Kennedy responsible for lucasfilm. So when her employees are posting pictures of themselves drinking "fanboy tears" or insulting fans on social media, that's Lucasfilm. If it's one thing, you can say rogue employee. But it's not. So before you start throwing out ignorant insults, maybe look in the mirror about who is the toxic one.
flynnibus
Premium Member
What this thread keeps pointing to..
Perceptions of the company going down...
But what they are not pointing to is the company performance tanking.
People's public angst is free to make noise about. Are they throwing out their Disney plush? Are they refusing to buy their kids a Star Wars toothbrush? Are they avoiding buying all Disney product?
The public angst over topics is so amplified by stupid things like social media and horrible 'media' companies these days that everyone is worked up... while not actually changing what they are doing.
We have an election cycle coming up.. so prepare to take on all the new things you never knew were making your world miserable.
Perceptions of the company going down...
But what they are not pointing to is the company performance tanking.
People's public angst is free to make noise about. Are they throwing out their Disney plush? Are they refusing to buy their kids a Star Wars toothbrush? Are they avoiding buying all Disney product?
The public angst over topics is so amplified by stupid things like social media and horrible 'media' companies these days that everyone is worked up... while not actually changing what they are doing.
We have an election cycle coming up.. so prepare to take on all the new things you never knew were making your world miserable.
BlakeW39
Well-Known Member
defend defend defend. Say hi to Bob for me
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
Real mature. Just going "I know you are, but what am I?" And never actually saying anything that lucid or addressing any of the points.
Following the same pattern of people going "Calling out racism makes YOU the real racist" is not a good look for you.
And I don't get particularly bent out of shape. Everything rings hollow after a while, like I said, it's just noise. I do spirited debates, but I don't go about my life getting triggered at everything. If anything, all I do is leave a paper trail for the truth to break through. But I go about my life just fine. I couldn't care less about any of it. But when I see a certain point that's egregiously wrong, I'll speak out against it, because that's my way.
There's a difference between "being angry about the vision" and "I wouldn't have done it this way." Of course George said "I wouldn't have done it this way," that's no surprise, but people like you made a tempest in a teapot. That's all you do, and the lazy corporate media, eager to get their revenue and their clicks, uses it and perpetuates this lazy narrative that has virtually no relation to the truth. Because that's how they operate.
In fact, that's how media has operated since the '90s: Everyone wanted Disney to fail after the Renaissance got underway. It's the Tall Poppy Syndrome. Someone gets too big, cut them down to size. The problem was that Eisner was bad at handling that, and perception of something being wrong eventually came true at the end. It hasn't come true under Iger, it skirted the edge of being true with Chapek, but they pulled back.
Disney is not in the dire straits it was in under Eisner at the end. And even that wasn't its darkest hour: that was when Walt was alive, during the postwar, pre-Disneyland era. That was when it could've died. If Disney could survive all of that, this is nothing. The future is very bright for the company.
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
No, the bad look is on you. You called me a toxic fan for simply saying That my fandom is no longer important or needed. Then went off on some rant about Lucas and his hand picked people know the vision of Lucas. And I don't. Which is kinda funny since Lucas didn't like the vision either, and that was admitted by Kennedy. So it would seem the creator is more inline with the fans who weren't happy with the sequels. And the hand picked stewards of star wars respected the vision so much, they threw Georges scripts right into the trash.
Where's this paper trail of truth you speak of? It's not in this thread. How do you explain all the anti fan nonsense that came out of lucasfilm?
Andi Gutierrez, Fanboy tears
Freddy Prince, "Look, dawg, you're just mad the franchise is not aging with you. But that ain't how it works."
Rian Johnson “If someone’s responding to diversity negatively, f*** them.”
Pablo Hidalgo and star wars theory.
And the list can go on. But for anyone paying attention, you'd see it. These people were working for Lucasfilm. What company allows this kind of interaction with their fans? How about show some professionalism.
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Actually, that IS professionalism. Professionalism does not mean "treating both sides as equally valid when one clearly isn't." If one side is ridiculous, you're free to point it out. If you choose not to, you're being a coward, because you're refusing to stand up for truth. You can't say there's a "debate" over something clearly settled. Of course, the media likes to pretend there is a debate on things, because that's how spineless it is, wanting precious "access."
You can't accept the truth? It's not exactly my job, or anyone's job, to pander to you, soothe your fragile ego. You do you, man. I certainly don't expect to convert you, because you can't logic someone out of a position they didn't logic themselves into. I just make myself known, I get the truth out there. That's all I want, and that's what I did.
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
That's about all I need to know about the type of person you are. It actually explains a lot. But like you said, you do you.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
They have a lot of issues…for sure.
Nothing catastrophic…but not on the rise at present - for sure
Nothing catastrophic…but not on the rise at present - for sure
That's why I diversify my stock portfolio and not put all the eggs in one basket.
Robbiem
Well-Known Member
I think the issues are longer term. in the past the model followed Walt’s ‘quality will out’ philosophy and Disney worked hard to build brand loyalty. Parks were priced so people could come back and build those memories and connections which carry on over a lifetime. An example of this was Walt’s decision to sell a cheap photoguide to Disneyland. This was in the days when cameras and film were more expensive. People bought the book for far less than Disney could have sold it for but Walt knew it kept those memories alive and was used to market the park to others who looked at their friends book. Similarly the classics were released every seven years or so and became event movies for little people. I’m 48 and I can remembe the first Disney film I saw (Jungle book) 45 years ago.
Now rather than get that $10 a year for life the model is I want $50 now and I don’t care after that. We are told about terms like underpricing and brand harvesting but the simple truth is that Disney has lost its uniqueness and its sense of value. When you pump out movies and distribute them across all media so frequently they loose that event feel. Disney animated movies, star wars etc felt special because they were rare and only came along ever three of four years, now only James Bond has that kind of feel. Waiting years to see movies again created a nostalgia in the brain which is lost when you can dial it up on disney plus
Disneyland was affordable to most people. We visited six times in the 80s/90s and built happy memories, I can remember riding splash mountain or tower or terror with my late brother. We weren’t rich, my father was a mailman and my mother worked in a store but we could afford to visit from England and stay at the resort and do what we wanted .Now we may have visited once, stayed off site and had to budget
my concern is that these changes mighr be good for the bottom line now but you’re killing your future. When the next generation sees Disney product as the same as Universal or Warner Bros or whoever why will they go to toy story 56 over minions 42? You may survive but you will never have that pop culture hold you had and the bottom line will catch up eventually
Now rather than get that $10 a year for life the model is I want $50 now and I don’t care after that. We are told about terms like underpricing and brand harvesting but the simple truth is that Disney has lost its uniqueness and its sense of value. When you pump out movies and distribute them across all media so frequently they loose that event feel. Disney animated movies, star wars etc felt special because they were rare and only came along ever three of four years, now only James Bond has that kind of feel. Waiting years to see movies again created a nostalgia in the brain which is lost when you can dial it up on disney plus
Disneyland was affordable to most people. We visited six times in the 80s/90s and built happy memories, I can remember riding splash mountain or tower or terror with my late brother. We weren’t rich, my father was a mailman and my mother worked in a store but we could afford to visit from England and stay at the resort and do what we wanted .Now we may have visited once, stayed off site and had to budget
my concern is that these changes mighr be good for the bottom line now but you’re killing your future. When the next generation sees Disney product as the same as Universal or Warner Bros or whoever why will they go to toy story 56 over minions 42? You may survive but you will never have that pop culture hold you had and the bottom line will catch up eventually
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Bet you lost a lot of money on that “diversify” this last year?
Yes and if I were to turn back the hands of time I would buy into the market big time April 2009 when many lost their jobs and homes during 2009.Bet you lost a lot of money on that “diversify” this last year?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
No doubt…
We’re all Warren Buffett in the rear view
I saw CEOs on the squawk today throwing caution again…
They don’t seem to think labor numbers = unlimited money for everyone.
I would tend to believe them. But I’m a skeptic
some other guy
Well-Known Member
I'm sure there's lots more billion dollar sales like the Queen library to help them tread water- uhh, I mean, strengthen their operating value and embiggen their something or other lol
CaptainMickey
Well-Known Member
Giving adult employees additional benefits makes employees happier and has zero impact on the guest experience. Makes complete sense.
Having drag fairy godmothers (dudes with mustaches in dresses) doing princess makeovers to little girls at Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique in the parks is a completely different animal. Especially when you consider their traditional "Disney Look" theme, that customers loved, From 1955 until a few years ago men couldn't even have any facial hair or long hair at all and work in the parks, much less wear a dress and make-up.
The benefits were about equality. Today it seems, per Tinker Bell "It's all about me"
Some people can't see the difference.
Disstevefan1
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I got no problem with this person wanting to do this. My opinion, they should shave for this part.
For decades Disney had very strict rules about what a cast member should look like, it was called I think "The Disney Look".
I am thinking of all the other folks who could not be a cast member because they did not have the look.
I suspect this person was picked specifically for this role because of their look.
By the old rules, this person would have failed because of the mustache and eye make up a minimum.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Uh oh…
CaptainMickey
Well-Known Member
That's my point. It's not about him, it's about the PAYING CUSTOMERS and what they want. Sorry, he doesn't fit the roll. I'm sure he is a nice guy. Same with all the guys that didn't get selected to play Gaston. None of Disney's CUSTOMERS had a problem with the old policies. Maybe some of the Cast Members did. It's a DISNEY THEME PARK, not a shop at the local mall. Around half of their potential CUSTOMERS today have big problems with their current direction. That's a problem whether they admit it or not. I'm sure cast members would love to wear their pajamas to work. But not every decision that employees like is good for the BUSINESS. Disney does not seem very focused on what the CUSTOMERS want right now. As it was said earlier, It's almost as if they are trying to give the middle finger to the core Star Wars and Marvel fans for some reason. It makes absolutely no sense.