Disney Genie/Genie+ On Their Way to Anaheim

TP2000

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At the very least, "resort partner" is probably their way of trying to absolve themselves of full responsibility for the fiasco. Welcome to the Chapek era.

Yeah, you're probably on to something there.

At best, "resort partner" is TDA office lingo that means absolutely nothing to paying customers and is simply a sign of poor training and management of the CM's who are communicating that way to paying guests.

At worst, "resort partner" is a smarmy way to shift blame to an IT team in Mumbai.
 

Mac Tonight

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I just read that the refunds for genie+ are being given out today as pre-loaded Disney gift cards... Why wouldn't the refund be given back on the person's credit card?
Because Chapek. That boy ain't right.

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TP2000

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I just read that the refunds for genie+ are being given out today as pre-loaded Disney gift cards... Why wouldn't the refund be given back on the person's credit card?

Oh, for the love of God. :rolleyes:

Nothing makes a frustrated customer angrier than giving him store credit for the defective merchandise you sold him.

Honestly, this is Customer Service 101 kind of stuff. Are they really this stupid, or are they trying to be mean?
 

milordsloth

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Oh, for the love of God. :rolleyes:

Nothing makes a frustrated customer angrier than giving him store credit for the defective merchandise you sold him.

Honestly, this is Customer Service 101 kind of stuff. Are they really this stupid, or are they trying to be mean?
Even better (worse), from the article I read: "Guests are directed near the Tour Gardens stand next to City Hall to obtain their refund. Guests can inquire with a Cast Member there, explain the situation and fill out a short form to receive their gift card refund."

I guess better than nothing, but I would be pretty mad if I had to go stand in a line for a physical gift card instead of a normal refund.
 

TP2000

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Even better (worse), from the article I read: "Guests are directed near the Tour Gardens stand next to City Hall to obtain their refund. Guests can inquire with a Cast Member there, explain the situation and fill out a short form to receive their gift card refund."

I guess better than nothing, but I would be pretty mad if I had to go stand in a line for a physical gift card instead of a normal refund.

I stared at this post for about two minutes thinking through it. Disneyland is not doing this right.

Disneyland sold people a product (Genie+/Lightning Lane) that doesn't work. Over the course of several hours those paying customers dealt with frustration and headaches at an expensive "Resort" that pretends it offers "World Class Guest Service!" and has something called the "Disney Difference!".

After hours of frustration and a broken product, the solution Disneyland came up with is to make everyone with the broken product wait in line to get store credit on the broken product that caused a day's frustration and failed service.

If Disneyland was actually an upscale "Resort" with "World Class Guest Service!" (like any Four Seasons property, Hotel Montage, Ritz-Carlton, etc.) the proper business response would be to:
  • Immediately refund the cost of the failed product back to the form of payment used to buy it
  • Apologize (and do some gracious questioning/research to learn if there's a way to recover better)
  • Regardless, offer the customer a Resort credit at least half the price of the failed product to be used immediately on any other product
I'm remembering a product failure and technical problems at the Rancho Mirage Ritz-Carlton and a technical glitch that happened with a premium cabin airport offering on Singapore Airlines to me in recent years, and that's exactly how those premium brands handled it for me. No Dockers-clad manager was needed. No shuffling off to wait in line at a different complaint desk. The front-line employee standing before me was empowered to fix it and solve it that way all on their own, on the spot. It was handled quickly and with a gracious ease, and we all left the situations smiling at each other. I will happily buy their products again.
 
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waltography

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Blog Mickey is reporting that CMs in the park have been letting guests with purchase confirmation of Genie+ into the Lightning Lane, no return time needed:



If this was the case for even a short while throughout the day, today might've inadvertently been a great day to get Genie+ (of course, tech meltdown/ensuing mess notwithstanding).
 

aaronml

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Doesn’t really matter to most of us, but I’ve heard that while Club 33 members used to get complimentary MaxPass, they do not get complimentary Genie+. Apparently they do still get free PhotoPass though.

I get that Disney wants to avoid giving away Genie+ for free, but considering how much C33 members already pay, it seems a bit ridiculous not to include Genie+.

To be fair though, members do still get an “Experience Access Card” (i.e. a FastPass card) when they dine at the Club that includes a bunch of anytime FPs.
 

DrAlice

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Not at all. Payment processing systems vs their Genie Database would be separate. Worse case if their payment processing systems were down they would still issue a refund when back online.

Have you ever had to get an in person refund for a digital purchase?
Exactly. They aren't giving a refund. They are giving a store credit. This is just highway robbery at this point. I mean, even Target and Walmart would give you an actual refund.
 

DrAlice

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Doesn’t really matter to most of us, but I’ve heard that while Club 33 members used to get complimentary MaxPass, they do not get complimentary Genie+. Apparently they do still get free PhotoPass though.

I get that Disney wants to avoid giving away Genie+ for free, but considering how much C33 members already pay, it seems a bit ridiculous not to include Genie+.

To be fair though, members do still get an “Experience Access Card” (i.e. a FastPass card) when they dine at the Club that includes a bunch of anytime FPs.
Wow. This is further than I thought they would stoop. Just wow.
 

Mac Tonight

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Exactly. They aren't giving a refund. They are giving a store credit. This is just highway robbery at this point. I mean, even Target and Walmart would give you an actual refund.
When I worked at Walgreens, we would only give an actual refund if that person had their receipt. Otherwise, they got store credit. Believe me when I say we had plenty of folks who would just walk into the store empty-handed, take an item off the shelf, and try to return it for cash.

Having said that, this situation is different and pretty disappointing.
 

mightynine

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I made similar points in the WDW Genie thread. A gift card should be an option, and should be handled digitally so that there’s no need to line up at Guest Relations.

An automatic refund to form of payment should also be an option through the app as well.

Store credit being the only option and having it be a physical card for a digital purchase screams someone didn’t think this through.
 

CaptinEO

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I made similar points in the WDW Genie thread. A gift card should be an option, and should be handled digitally so that there’s no need to line up at Guest Relations.

An automatic refund to form of payment should also be an option through the app as well.

Store credit being the only option and having it be a physical card for a digital purchase screams someone didn’t think this through.
On the contrary to me it screams they did think it through and realized 90% of people won't go through the "hassle" of getting a refund, so the company makes more money.
 

TP2000

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Doing that would require the very servers that were down.

Nope! Nope, nope, nope. That's not the right answer.

As we've seen at WDW, and from multiple people who were at Disneyland, this was a purposeful decision in advance to handle an App outage this way. There wasn't a massive power failure that caused all computers and cash registers and modern society to be inoperative, it was a technical glitch with one part of the App.

The Go-Back-To-City-Hall-To-Stand-In-Line-For-Store-Credit was their pre-planned response to this scenario.

And that's a big Nope!

Not at all. Payment processing systems vs their Genie Database would be separate. Worse case if their payment processing systems were down they would still issue a refund when back online.

Have you ever had to get an in person refund for a digital purchase?

Exactly. The solution they have come up with for App failures like this is simply not acceptable.

It's barely acceptable at Walgreens, but it is simply not acceptable at an expensive place like Disneyland that pretends it is a "Resort" that offers "World Class Guest Service!".

I made similar points in the WDW Genie thread. A gift card should be an option, and should be handled digitally so that there’s no need to line up at Guest Relations.

An automatic refund to form of payment should also be an option through the app as well.

Store credit being the only option and having it be a physical card for a digital purchase screams someone didn’t think this through.

Thank you! I thought the same thing when reading about @milordsloth and the options they were offering yesterday to paying customers who bought this failed product.

All of the proper ways to refund the cost of Genie+ and provide an apology offering of a gift card can and should be handled via App. And be planned and trained for in advance.

Even if it's just a note pushed out to every customer's phone via the App saying that full refunds will be processed once the servers come back online (which everyone would understand) and that physical gift cards as a token of apology are an option (at the following park locations, if the App is so totally broken it can't distribute digital gift cards to App users).

What TDA ridiculously offered yesterday was pre-planned and on purpose, in the event of an App outage.

It's tacky, it's cheap, it's hokey. And it's clearly designed and approved by executives who have no idea how their customers use the parks and what they routinely expect from an expensive day at Disneyland.
 
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jaxonp

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So like... has there been any positives from this? I'll be at land this weekend for the first time in 2 years since covid and I need to know how important this is to enjoying the weekend.
 

Californian Elitist

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Original Poster
Disney knew exactly what they were doing when they decided that refunds wouldn’t be an option. By giving guests Disney gift cards, Disney will have lost no money whatsoever. The money spent for Genie will be distributed elsewhere in the form of a Mickey plush, Disneyland corn dog, or anything else under the Disney umbrella. This was a deliberate decision. They’re not dumb.

It’s giving Mr. Krabs from SpongeBob.

 

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