Purduevian
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Sorry yes 100% agree with that. I was challenging the idea that selling less G+ would help the standby move faster.
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Disney Genie and Genie+ at Walt Disney World
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MagicHappens1971
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Gotcha, my bad there.
To be honest the G+/FP+ debacle that erupted out of MyMagic+ can never be "fixed" by the routes they are trying. The sole reason FP+ exists is because they thought they could spend ~1.5B on new tech and basically never have to expand the parks again. We've discussed this at nauseam, but its the truth. The number of legacy FP attractions vs FP+ into G+ attractions is vastly higher. It's all "capacity management", selling less G+ and having less LL's issued could very well bring down Standby times, the problem with the transition from FP+ to G+, is that G+ should not also have this long list of attractions to choose from, but now that they're selling a "product", they NEED the avaibility.
The only way to ever solve this problem is true added capacity to the theme parks.
MagicHappens1971
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For example....
Legacy FP at MK:
Meet Mickey @ Town Square
Jungle Cruise
Splash Mountain
BTMRR
Peter Pan's Flight
Dumbo
Space Mountain
Space Ringer Spin
=8
Genie+ at MK:
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
Buzz Lightyear’s Space Ranger Spin
Disney Festival of Fantasy Parade
Dumbo the Flying Elephant
Enchanted Tales with Belle
Haunted Mansion
“it’s a small world”
Jungle Cruise
Mad Tea Party
Meet Ariel at Her Grotto
Meet Cinderella and a Visiting Princess at Princess Fairytale Hall
Meet Mickey at Town Square Theater
Meet Princess Tiana and a Visiting Princess at Princess Fairytale Hall
Mickey’s PhilharMagic
Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor
Peter Pan’s Flight
Pirates of the Caribbean
Space Mountain
The Barnstormer
The Magic Carpets of Aladdin
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
Tomorrowland Speedway
Under the Sea ~ Journey of The Little Mermaid
= 23 (Nearly everything)
Legacy FP at MK:
Meet Mickey @ Town Square
Jungle Cruise
Splash Mountain
BTMRR
Peter Pan's Flight
Dumbo
Space Mountain
Space Ringer Spin
=8
Genie+ at MK:
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
Buzz Lightyear’s Space Ranger Spin
Disney Festival of Fantasy Parade
Dumbo the Flying Elephant
Enchanted Tales with Belle
Haunted Mansion
“it’s a small world”
Jungle Cruise
Mad Tea Party
Meet Ariel at Her Grotto
Meet Cinderella and a Visiting Princess at Princess Fairytale Hall
Meet Mickey at Town Square Theater
Meet Princess Tiana and a Visiting Princess at Princess Fairytale Hall
Mickey’s PhilharMagic
Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor
Peter Pan’s Flight
Pirates of the Caribbean
Space Mountain
The Barnstormer
The Magic Carpets of Aladdin
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
Tomorrowland Speedway
Under the Sea ~ Journey of The Little Mermaid
= 23 (Nearly everything)
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
Part of the reason it works so well at DLR compared to WDW.
DL:
- Autopia
- Big Thunder
- Buzz Lightyear
- HM (currently closed)
- Indiana Jones
- it's a small world
- Matterhorn
- MMRR
- MFSR
- Space Mountain
- Star Tours
Laketravis
Well-Known Member
To be technically correct, it's called Yield Management and I've been screaming that for over 12 years now after being a beta tester and focus group participant for FP+ and learning what the end game was.
Yield management - Wikipedia
Laketravis
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MagicHappens1971
Well-Known Member
This very extended queue is also another glaring reason why Disney should really do something about the bottle necks at that end of Fantasyland... Outside of the other glaring issues that are Genie+/LL.
nickys
Premium Member
DLP have changed their fastpass system.
There’s now Premier Access. You either buy it for the day giving you one ride on each attraction - but it’s more than the cost of a day ticket. Or buy it for individual attractions with a return time of 5-10 minutes usually (shows you book for a specific time).
John park hopper
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Genie + is such a scam-- Disney runs attractions at half capacity, reduced staff thus artificially increasing wait times forcing people to buy Genie while driving up the price. Disney's greed knows no bounds.
There's no way that your statement of fact is true
Tuvalu
Premium Member
While I agree with the intent of the poster’s assertions, his opinion is based on things he has read, not personal experience.
As someone with personal experience, there have been times (not always) where attraction capacity has been halved during busy days. A shortage of labor - whether intentional or not - is real. Genie+ does increase standby wait times more than FP+ (again, lots of personal experience).
As for Peter Pan (or any attraction) a ride breakdown compounds the problem. We got in line for PP recently (during parade time) when the posted wait was 35 minutes. Our actual wait was well over an hour, due to ride being down at some point earlier in the day and all the guests with LLs (that they couldn’t use during the temporary closure) showed up after the parade.
So while wait times can be inflated, we’ve also experienced the opposite. And not just at PP.
I hate Genie and would prefer standby only, everyone with equal access.
But greed no longer allows that.
Can you imagine the outrage if Apple intentionally slowed the performance of iPhones to ensure existing users would buy new replacement ones because the experience became so terrible, but initially denied it, then claimed that it was to improve battery performance?
Oh wait they did, and were sued by several states and eventually settled.
Doesn't G+ and ILL sound kinda similar? Maybe someone at the Florida AG can do something useful with Disney?
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
The visuals are easy to post. What's very likely is that there was either downtime on the road, or the Genie+ wait was less than 10 minutes despite the bad visuals.
Remember the sub 30 minute standby waits for things like Big Thunder during COVID when the queue was backed up to the River's of America waterfront pathway.
We live now in a world where words and data mean a lot less than visuals.
There's no way that Disney is intentionally cutting attraction capacity in half on busy days, or any days
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
I do know that Disney sometimes only loads 1 side of Big Thunder during slowish times. I only saw this when the standby line was less than 20 minutes though near the end of a night
At Disneyland, big thunder actually does this every morning. Fresh Baked rope drop videos at Disneyland even give the advice not to go to big thunder until at least 45 minutes after park open due to the sluggish line. Although at Disneyland, Big thunder is probably behind Rise, Space, Peter Pan, Indiana Jones, MMRR?, and Matterhorn on rope drop priority. At MK it is really only behind 7D, Space, Jungle cruise and Peter Pan.
At Disneyland, big thunder actually does this every morning. Fresh Baked rope drop videos at Disneyland even give the advice not to go to big thunder until at least 45 minutes after park open due to the sluggish line. Although at Disneyland, Big thunder is probably behind Rise, Space, Peter Pan, Indiana Jones, MMRR?, and Matterhorn on rope drop priority. At MK it is really only behind 7D, Space, Jungle cruise and Peter Pan.
Tuvalu
Premium Member
That’s why I clarified with “intentional or not” due to labor shortage. Unless you have proof that Disney is not intentionally cutting attraction capacity, your opinion is of no greater value than @John park hopper ’s or my personal experience.