Laketravis
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To be technically correct, it's called Yield Management and I've been screaming that for over 12 years now after being a beta tester and focus group participant for FP+ and learning what the end game was.
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To be technically correct, it's called Yield Management and I've been screaming that for over 12 years now after being a beta tester and focus group participant for FP+ and learning what the end game was.
Laketravis
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MagicHappens1971
Well-Known Member
This very extended queue is also another glaring reason why Disney should really do something about the bottle necks at that end of Fantasyland... Outside of the other glaring issues that are Genie+/LL.
nickys
Premium Member
DLP have changed their fastpass system.
There’s now Premier Access. You either buy it for the day giving you one ride on each attraction - but it’s more than the cost of a day ticket. Or buy it for individual attractions with a return time of 5-10 minutes usually (shows you book for a specific time).
John park hopper
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Genie + is such a scam-- Disney runs attractions at half capacity, reduced staff thus artificially increasing wait times forcing people to buy Genie while driving up the price. Disney's greed knows no bounds.
There's no way that your statement of fact is true
Tuvalu
Premium Member
While I agree with the intent of the poster’s assertions, his opinion is based on things he has read, not personal experience.
As someone with personal experience, there have been times (not always) where attraction capacity has been halved during busy days. A shortage of labor - whether intentional or not - is real. Genie+ does increase standby wait times more than FP+ (again, lots of personal experience).
As for Peter Pan (or any attraction) a ride breakdown compounds the problem. We got in line for PP recently (during parade time) when the posted wait was 35 minutes. Our actual wait was well over an hour, due to ride being down at some point earlier in the day and all the guests with LLs (that they couldn’t use during the temporary closure) showed up after the parade.
So while wait times can be inflated, we’ve also experienced the opposite. And not just at PP.
I hate Genie and would prefer standby only, everyone with equal access.
But greed no longer allows that.
Can you imagine the outrage if Apple intentionally slowed the performance of iPhones to ensure existing users would buy new replacement ones because the experience became so terrible, but initially denied it, then claimed that it was to improve battery performance?
Oh wait they did, and were sued by several states and eventually settled.
Doesn't G+ and ILL sound kinda similar? Maybe someone at the Florida AG can do something useful with Disney?
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
The visuals are easy to post. What's very likely is that there was either downtime on the road, or the Genie+ wait was less than 10 minutes despite the bad visuals.
Remember the sub 30 minute standby waits for things like Big Thunder during COVID when the queue was backed up to the River's of America waterfront pathway.
We live now in a world where words and data mean a lot less than visuals.
There's no way that Disney is intentionally cutting attraction capacity in half on busy days, or any days
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
I do know that Disney sometimes only loads 1 side of Big Thunder during slowish times. I only saw this when the standby line was less than 20 minutes though near the end of a night
At Disneyland, big thunder actually does this every morning. Fresh Baked rope drop videos at Disneyland even give the advice not to go to big thunder until at least 45 minutes after park open due to the sluggish line. Although at Disneyland, Big thunder is probably behind Rise, Space, Peter Pan, Indiana Jones, MMRR?, and Matterhorn on rope drop priority. At MK it is really only behind 7D, Space, Jungle cruise and Peter Pan.
At Disneyland, big thunder actually does this every morning. Fresh Baked rope drop videos at Disneyland even give the advice not to go to big thunder until at least 45 minutes after park open due to the sluggish line. Although at Disneyland, Big thunder is probably behind Rise, Space, Peter Pan, Indiana Jones, MMRR?, and Matterhorn on rope drop priority. At MK it is really only behind 7D, Space, Jungle cruise and Peter Pan.
Tuvalu
Premium Member
That’s why I clarified with “intentional or not” due to labor shortage. Unless you have proof that Disney is not intentionally cutting attraction capacity, your opinion is of no greater value than @John park hopper ’s or my personal experience.
In all fairness, they had 3 or 6 foot queue spacing in place during most or all of that time as well.
Andrew25
Well-Known Member
Visually, I'd have to imagine it looked like roughly somewhere around 200+ guests... or nearly 1/3 of the attraction's hourly capacity. So I'd had to imagine that while Genie+ only took 20 minutes, they probably stopped standby to a halt to get the line back into its proper queue. Add in that there always seems to be a fresh wave of Lightning Lane users, wouldn't surprise me that standby was impacted by 30-40 minutes.
Nubs70
Well-Known Member
When standby is 60+ min and one loading area of multiple loading areas is staffed and operating, WDW is not operating the ride at capacity.
What incentive does WDW have to create long standby times?
But does not opening up the second load area on each side of Space Mountain, or the third load area on Splash Mountain, or adding extra boats to JC make a difference?
Also does closing the park at 10 or 11PM during busy times not affect capacity? I remember the MK frequently being open till 1AM. Why can't Epcot and DHS be open past 9PM?
Of course the reason is, so they can sell the park twice with hard ticket events.