Yeah, it was discussed a bit earlier in the thread. The stacking strategy is officially dead. You can still book 3 reservations in the evening but only 1 tier 1 and you can’t get #4 until you use 1 of the first 3. The new system definitely favors those who are actually in the parks which I assume is by design. They want us in the parks spending money.
Going back to this, I reached out to Mammoth club/Molly to point out that there was an error in her video. Their/her response was quite interesting as it isn't quite as simple as overlapping just unlocks after using one:Certainly on the day you can have 100% overlapping LLs. It seems like the overlapping rules get lifted along with the tiers and parks as soon as you tap in.
It’s also surprising to me how some of these bloggers appear not to have realised that you can get far more times than the ones you might initially be offered. If she was doing this in the parks she missed a trick. There again it was the same for FP+. - people just looked at the times that popped up and thought those half dozen times were all that they could choose.
I’ll agree to disagree then.Going back to this, I reached out to Mammoth club/Molly to point out that there was an error in her video. Their/her response was quite interesting as it isn't quite as simple as overlapping just unlocks after using one:
"As an update, Molly is in the park currently and tried again to see if she could get two rides to overlap. The only way possible is if the NEXT AVAILABLE time for the attraction you’re booking overlaps with a current attraction. Example: She booked Star Tours at 645, and the next available Muppet Vision 3D was also 645, so she was able to book that as well. However she also still has Mickey & Minnie’s Runaway Railway booked at 730, and NEITHER Star Tours nor Muppet Vision was able to be booked within the 7pm hour (despite having full availability). We tested this multiple times, with multiple rides, and found the same results over and over. So as previously stated, overlapping is definitely an exception, not a rule.So while we’re happy to discover there is this unique exception to the rule, tapping into your first attraction doesn’t unlock the ability to overlap in most cases. (Except this exception. Isn’t this fun)"
TLDR: Attractions can only overlap if you are booking the next available time.
Yeah, it was discussed a bit earlier in the thread. The stacking strategy is officially dead. You can still book 3 reservations in the evening but only 1 tier 1 and you can’t get #4 until you use 1 of the first 3. The new system definitely favors those who are actually in the parks which I assume is by design. They want us in the parks spending money.
It does seem that way. The day of drops also favor someone who arrives by noonish or earlier. It does not appear there are large drops in the evening. So while you don’t have to get there at rope drop and use your first reservation right at 9am to take advantage of an 11am drop you do have to be there before 11am and use at least 1 reservation. With Genie+ you could take advantage of the 11am drop by booking reservation #2 at 11am with the 2 hour rule even if you were not in the park. So while optimal use of this system does not require a literal rope drop (arriving before park open and waiting in the mob to rush in) it is to your advantage to arrive within a few hours of open unless you are satisfied with the 3 reservations you booked and aren’t concerned with getting any more. Win for the morning people and I guess a win for Starbucks which is needed for the rest of us
It does seem that way. The day of drops also favor someone who arrives by noonish or earlier. It does not appear there are large drops in the evening. So while you don’t have to get there at rope drop and use your first reservation right at 9am to take advantage of an 11am drop you do have to be there before 11am and use at least 1 reservation. With Genie+ you could take advantage of the 11am drop by booking reservation #2 at 11am with the 2 hour rule even if you were not in the park. So while optimal use of this system does not require a literal rope drop (arriving before park open and waiting in the mob to rush in) it is to your advantage to arrive within a few hours of open unless you are satisfied with the 3 reservations you booked and aren’t concerned with getting any more. Win for the morning people and I guess a win for Starbucks which is needed for the rest of us
Yeah for sure. For a user arriving before 11am you can now have your 3 advance reservations and with a little luck when booking (plus the modify function) end up having used 3 with 3 additional reservations in hand before 11am when Genie+ would have allowed a user outside the parks to book #2. So the benefit of being in the parks using the system are huge comparatively.
Absolutely interested.Oh I also want to add, for our MK day, I did not purchase Mine Train. MK closes at 6pm this day for a party so I am hoping to jump in line around 5:30ish. If for some reason this doesn’t work out, we will ride during the Halloween party we are attending on another day. In case anyone is interested
Agreed, but full disclosure…….I am also at least slightly interested in the pointless bickering as well
Just re-read this thread - 1,300+ pages saying all the bickery you could want.Agreed, but full disclosure…….I am also at least slightly interested in the pointless bickering as well
Haha yeah for sure. I’m probably responsible for about 100 of those pages
Hah. GuiltyAgreed, but full disclosure…….I am also at least slightly interested in the pointless bickering as well
I am here now. Speaking as someone who spends a lot of money in the parks, eats almost exclusively table service (also buys overpriced snacks throughout the day), and stays deluxe— I’m just going to come less. It’s still exhausting to wake at 7 for VQ, and then we have to get to the park early (especially for families used to Pacific time) if we want more than 1-2 quality LLs at most parks. This product is almost certainly better if you don’t mind starting your day at 6:55AM— but I wonder how many Disney families can and will set money on fire each day on LLMP (and other Disney upcharges) actually want to do it. We’ll still come but when we do we won’t book TS before dinner time (it messed up our morning LLMP options by blocking an hour) and we won’t book many enchanting extras, because we have to get to the parks early.Yeah, it was discussed a bit earlier in the thread. The stacking strategy is officially dead. You can still book 3 reservations in the evening but only 1 tier 1 and you can’t get #4 until you use 1 of the first 3. The new system definitely favors those who are actually in the parks which I assume is by design. They want us in the parks spending money.
As noted above, why does Disney want us in the parks longer using more capacity? My guess is that many on site hotel guests spend plenty of money around the resort. Doesn’t this incentive system just make lines longer per paying guest?
I generally agree with this, but I would say pickings are slim by noon. You can find good LLs later than noon if you’re aggressively hunting for them, willing to criss cross parks, and park hop, but it’s not great general availability for actual Tier 1s by noon… in my experience, the most of the afternoon “drops” are either paltry or just a cancellation. Even quickly trying to book for 4 people was often met with an error (the system doesn’t even tell you that the space is gone, you just get an error message leading to wasting time retrying).It does seem that way. The day of drops also favor someone who arrives by noonish or earlier. It does not appear there are large drops in the evening. So while you don’t have to get there at rope drop and use your first reservation right at 9am to take advantage of an 11am drop you do have to be there before 11am and use at least 1 reservation. With Genie+ you could take advantage of the 11am drop by booking reservation #2 at 11am with the 2 hour rule even if you were not in the park. …Win for the morning people and I guess a win for Starbucks which is needed for the rest of us
Guilty as charged. If you’re a rope dropper or don’t need to sleep past 7AM, this system is probably an improvement for you. Maybe it’s good for families taking a once in a lifetime trip, planning to spend 13 hours a day in the parks, as opposed to regulars who want a relaxing family vacation. My main objection is that they overhauled DAS (I accept it’s Disney’s prerogative to give less pixie dust for physical handicaps) at the same time they changed G+ to LLMP in a way that makes it much less useful for those whose health prevents them from being in the parks for more than a few hours at a time).
This usually means you have two windows that overlap. Sometimes it lets you overlap, sometimes it doesn't. Nobody seems to understand the rules of why.
