Disney fires IT workers and replaces them with foreign workers

[PhotoDave219]

I could add a few more. I've worked with them in the past.

Like Accenture?

I've never personally dealt with these people but I've heard stories.

I've also never thought that outsourcing your coding did anything positive for your InfoSec as well.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Also, you could pretty much replace "Disney" with any major corporation in the USA and write the same story.

that is very true... as much as we'd like to bash Disney for doing this, the sad truth is it isn't anything different than other Fortune 500 companies - they just get more publicity because of who they are

 

[sshindel]

Like Accenture?

I've never personally dealt with these people but I've heard stories.

I've also never thought that outsourcing your coding did anything positive for your InfoSec as well.

I've personally had slightly better experience with Accenture than Cognizant, that is for sure. It's hard to fully judge thought because Accenture was coming in as we were rolling Cognizant out, and it is likely that Accenture was bringing in it's "good" resources to secure a foothold, only to replace them with crappy ones later. It's a standard business practice in the consulting business, one of which I've personally been a part of a few times. Now you just have to ask yourself, was I the "good" resource, or the "crappy" one that followed

 

[ChrisM]

Like Accenture?

I've never personally dealt with these people but I've heard stories.

I've also never thought that outsourcing your coding did anything positive for your InfoSec as well.

Former Accenture exec here.

You'll hear every sort of story from the very best to the very worst regarding them - largely because, as is true for most partnership based organizations, it operates as a confederation of fiefdoms based on the particular partner(s) in charge of the project. There are some fantastic ones, as well as some greasy churn-and-burn ones.

Nevertheless, they are an absolute money making machine.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Former Accenture exec here.

You'll hear every sort of story from the very best to the very worst regarding them - largely because, as is true for most partnership based organizations, it operates as a confederation of fiefdoms based on the particular partner(s) in charge of the project. There are some fantastic ones, as well as some greasy churn-and-burn ones.

Nevertheless, they are an absolute money making machine.

The irony that I've seen about all of the outsourcing is that it appears companies do not save any money in the long run. The problems that crop up with using contractors seem to end up costing more money then if they continue to use their own in-house people.

Some companies are pulling back from having offshore contractors.

 

[GhostHost1000]

The irony that I've seen about all of the outsourcing is that it appears companies do not save any money in the long run. The problems that crop up with using contractors seem to end up costing more money then if they continue to use their own in-house people.

Some companies are pulling back from having offshore contractors.

that's exactly what my company is doing... however what they've done now is hired an IT presence in India as employees of the company - for development purposes. not sure why that helps...but that's what they are doing

it's frustrating... but it's all about saving money now so someone in the higher levels looks good even though it'll cost more money and cause more headaches later

 

[PhotoDave219]

that's exactly what my company is doing... however what they've done now is hired an IT presence in India as employees of the company - for development purposes. not sure why that helps...but that's what they are doing

it's frustrating... but it's all about saving money now so someone in the higher levels looks good even though it'll cost more money and cause more headaches later

Well it's also an InfoSec issue.

You don't want a third party with the possibility Of putting a backdoor into your systems.

 

[rsoxguy]

I just fear that they'll begin to replace workers at EPCOT's World Showcase with foreign workers. Wait, what?

 

[Rodan75]

A GOOD project manager is priceless, The latter exists in all fields.

I wholeheartedly agree. I could go off for hours on the value of good project managers and the damages generated by a bad one.

 

[Rodan75]

I could add a few more. I've worked with them in the past.

lol...I'm in that same mix now too...primarily contact center technology (IVR, ACD, WFO, etc). I shake my head daily at what my peers say and do that will eventually trigger their teams to be outsourced.

 

[Rodan75]

I could add a few more. I've worked with them in the past.

Adding more to the imaginary list. Although Cognizant hasn't given me any of the horror stories on the level that Accenture and IBM have given me.

 

[alphac2005]

The irony that I've seen about all of the outsourcing is that it appears companies do not save any money in the long run. The problems that crop up with using contractors seem to end up costing more money then if they continue to use their own in-house people.

Some companies are pulling back from having offshore contractors.

What you wrote needs to be put in an endless loop. No matter the company, it's the same thing. The outsourcing looks like a massive cost saving effort, but in the end, the majority of companies end up where they were or as you've stated, even costing more money.

I have great stories from my wife being at one of the biggest mobile providers in the country and the combination of off-shoring and contract workers that not only fosters an awful work environment, but in the end, the company is paying a fortune. We've crunched the numbers over and over and even if you account for 401k contributions, healthcare policies, and fiscal bonuses/incentives, they'd be far better off with full timers, but the place is a disaster.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Okay Titans of Industry. Let's play this out. You run a company. Dude A does a job for $80,000 per year. Dude B does the same job for $30,000 per year. Which one are you going to go with? Even if Dude B is worse, he'd need to be substantially worse for you to pay the premium for Dude A.

This notion that outsourcing is automatically bad is completely xenophobic.

 

[janoimagine]

You mean like runDisney yesterday ?, Registration to open at noon actually opened at 12:10 some browsers reported event full if you were running noScript, Finally had a friend register me because racing against clock,

Perhaps for something like this a - check browser compatibility page so you can be sure you have no issues on time limited signup...

The DTA (Disney Travel Agent) site is even worse ... It has been awful ... no, pathetic for a long time, even with it's latest round of 'Enhancements', and it's the same on all browsers, all OS's. Mondays Free Dining Launch was a joke, a joke that Disney should be humiliated for ...

 

[ford91exploder]

Okay Titans of Industry. Let's play this out. You run a company. Dude A does a job for $80,000 per year. Dude B does the same job for $30,000 per year. Which one are you going to go with? Even if Dude B is worse, he'd need to be substantially worse for you to pay the premium for Dude A.

This notion that outsourcing is automatically bad is completely xenophobic.

2 nights a week I have a meeting with our China and India teams, They are all employees and the time differential and language barriers are huge, Add outsourcing where the vendors goals are NOT your own (ie it's to the outsourcers advantage to deliver as little as possible) and you have a toxic brew.

But what we are talking here is the use of indentured servants living in dormitories to replace middle class workers. The end result is not where we want to be as a country with an oligarchy and the workers living in company housing and shopping at company stores.

Let there be no mistake H1B is the modern version of indentured servitude in america as the visa belongs to the COMPANY not the worker.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Okay Titans of Industry. Let's play this out. You run a company. Dude A does a job for $80,000 per year. Dude B does the same job for $30,000 per year. Which one are you going to go with? Even if Dude B is worse, he'd need to be substantially worse for you to pay the premium for Dude A.

This notion that outsourcing is automatically bad is completely xenophobic.

Thats the simplistic notion, yes.

However you're missing several points, the biggest is that it always bites people in the end. (I wont even address how this is having American companies that get tax breaks in this country and then shipping their workforce overseas without actually investing in the communities theyre located in).

So Person B makes 30k. Well How much is it going to take to teach person B how your company works? How much is going to cost extra to integrate them into your systems? How much more is it going to cost to fix their mistakes?

And god forbid, how much is it going to cost your company if he codes himself a hidden backdoor?

This has been going on since the mid-to-late 90s, with very little-to-no actual success.

So while wall street and accountants see it as a cost-savings in the short term, it ends up being quite a disaster by the end of it.

 

[wendysue]

The H1B program was never designed to allow this to happen in fact the law is quite specific that it cannot be used in this manner.

Yet it is...

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Thats the simplistic notion, yes.

However you're missing several points, the biggest is that it always bites people in the end. (I wont even address how this is having American companies that get tax breaks in this country and then shipping their workforce overseas without actually investing in the communities theyre located in).

So Person B makes 30k. Well How much is it going to take to teach person B how your company works? How much is going to cost extra to integrate them into your systems? How much more is it going to cost to fix their mistakes?

And god forbid, how much is it going to cost your company if he codes himself a hidden backdoor?

This has been going on since the mid-to-late 90s, with very little-to-no actual success.

So while wall street and accountants see it as a cost-savings in the short term, it ends up being quite a disaster by the end of it.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree based on my real experiences and your own. From what I've seen, the dropoff in quality from a domestic employee to a foreign consultant is minimal at worst.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I expect DC will step in now because there was a similar event at PG&E where existing US based workers were replaced with H1B workers, The H1B program was never designed to allow this to happen in fact the law is quite specific that it cannot be used in this manner. The PG&E incident and now TWDC are simply too high profile.

Nobody is talking about the H1B program, which allows foreign workers to work in the United States. I believe we're talking about outsourcing work to workers in their own countries.

 

[ford91exploder]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree based on my real experiences and your own. From what I've seen, the dropoff in quality from a domestic employee to a foreign consultant is minimal at worst.

Then you are hiring from the bottom of the barrel in both cases. And are paying too much for both your US and outsourced workforce.