Disney fires IT workers and replaces them with foreign workers

[PhotoDave219]

The only context I think all this misses is that Disney would replace every employee with a contractor if they thought they could get away with it.

 

[englanddg]

The only context I think all this misses is that Disney would replace every employee with a contractor if they thought they could get away with it.

Frankly there are a variety of reasons for that (and Disney isn't alone) ranging from payroll and unemployment tax costs, HR obligations, right to work and wrongful termination suits...list goes on.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Frankly there are a variety of reasons for that (and Disney isn't alone) ranging from payroll and unemployment tax costs, HR obligations, right to work and wrongful termination suits...list goes on.

No but if they could make every employee outside of management a contractor? They would.

 

[englanddg]

No but if they could make every employee outside of management a contractor? They would.

Yes. Partially for the reasons I just listed.

W-2 employment is a pain in the rear.

 

[LAKid53]

No but if they could make every employee outside of management a contractor? They would.

And companies wonder why they have problems with their workforce..... I remember telling the president of our organization that loyalty can be demanded but is best when it's earned. It's a two way street.

 

[Nemo14]

I know I said I was heading out but I had to comment about the discipline thing. I don't think you can blame it on any one faction, but I do think it starts in the home. Kids need to know that they are a part of something, be it a family, a "class", or whatever. They're not princesses or kings, but too many parents treat them that way, so they really believe that the world revolves around them and that their actions have no consequences. Parenting is a tough job, no doubt about it.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Yes. Partially for the reasons I just listed.

W-2 employment is a pain in the rear.

Oh there's a million reasons why they want to.

 

[LAKid53]

Oh there's a million reasons why they want to.

One being that the biggest expense is your employees? While forgetting that the most valuable asset is your employees?

 

[englanddg]

Oh there's a million reasons why they want to.

H1B (and or overseas wage slavery) isn't the only one.

Even if were John Doe American and he made the exact same gross pay, they'd be happy to do it.

7.65% of payroll saved for FICA
~3.5% for unemployment FUTA/SUTA contributions
No I-9 liability (falls on the contractor)
True at will employment as well as civil recourses against employees (again, contractors)
Financial reporting to the government drastically decreased administratively
No issues with time and wage disputes
No issues with termination disputes
No direct workplace liability
...I could keep going...

 

[PhotoDave219]

H1B (and or overseas wage slavery) isn't the only one.

Even if were John Doe American and he made the exact same gross pay, they'd be happy to do it.

7.65% of payroll saved for FICA
~3.5% for unemployment FUTA/SUTA contributions
No I-9 liability (falls on the contractor)
True at will employment as well as civil recourses against employees (again, contractors)
Financial reporting to the government drastically decreased administratively
No issues with time and wage disputes
No issues with termination disputes
No direct workplace liability
...I could keep going...

Yeah but could you imagine Mickey Mouse as a contractor?

 

[englanddg]

Yeah but could you imagine Mickey Mouse as a contractor?

Why not? Push was.

(and, yes, I am playing devil's advocate at this point)

 

[LAKid53]

Yeah but could you imagine Mickey Mouse as a contractor?

I'd bet there'd be some excellent video on YouTube when that contractor Mickey dealt with some entitled guest.....

 

[PhotoDave219]

I'd bet there'd be some excellent video on YouTube when that contractor Mickey dealt with some entitled guest.....

I believe it involves language I am not supposed to use on here....

 

[flynnibus]

This is what she was taught to do.

That's the way I do things in my head... mainly to get an approximation... I don't know if I've ever put it on paper, nor would I think about doing it long hand like they did. If I'm going to write it out, do it the normal way.

They are doing the same thing, just writing it very funky. In my head I just say 'get close.. ok, get closer.. then get closer'. You'll get within rough distance.. at least good enough for estimation.

 

[flynnibus]

That's a theme of Common Core - you can have the entirely wrong answer, but if you can explain your answer than it's OK. Personally I don't want a surgeon operating on me who only knows the process...

Numbers were only the last 10% of my physics professor's grades. You'd do everything in variables... and then at the very end they'd say 'ok, the mass was 10kg and the height was 5m' and you'd plug in and compute the final answer.

He was also real big on always having an estimation problem on each test. Where the # itself wasn't import but much more about how you justified your logic and analysis. A sample question would be like "estimate the number of bricks in the library across the street"

He was bad ... till I took quantum mechanics with him.. that was a bit surreal.

Of course the total opposite of all that was thermodynamics.. OMG.. each problem was like 30mins of pure basic alegbra but done like 30 times.. and HOPE you didn't make any mistake along the way. You'd fill page after page... and tests were 2-3 problems. So make a basic alegbra mistake like forgetting a negative or simple mistake.. and boom.. automatically to a C.. maybe a B on the test. was such a grind!

 

[LAKid53]

Apparently we've wandered off topic......

No, we are just expanding on the differences between IT workers educated in the U.S. and those in other countries and why/how that may affect the competency of those workers. And then segwayed into a general discussion of math/science education in the U.S. in order to understand why U.S. corporations are so enamored with certain professionals from certain countries, to the seeming detriment of the U.S. labor force.

I've done IS. From my experience, an organization is MUCH better served with IT/IS functions in-house. And management also needs to make sure IT/IS understands its role is to SUPPORT the organization's operating divisions, not vice versa.

 

[alphac2005]

It was completely phonetic based AND the teachers were instructed to NOT correct spelling errors. The program's so-called importance was to focus on the process even if the spelling was incorrect.

 

[LAKid53]

So are we going to discuss the topic "Disney fires IT workers and replaces them with foreign workers" or continue spinning off on tangentially associated topics ?

Simply put back office systems and their maintenance have physical limitations of only bandwidth and latency, cost is now a commodity variable which does not benefit from longevity or proximity.

But it is affected by communication skills of those working in back office systems. Trust me, I've spent needless hours trying to relay my needs to someone who may have excellent coding skills but little grasp of financial reporting requirements.

 

[LAKid53]

Actually what we've said about math and science in schools today has a lot to do with why Disney (and many other companies) are doing this. Sorry if we've taken it too far.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[networkpro]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

A quandary no doubt, but I see you fell on the side of the STEM lacking in responding to mine statement. If a system is in caretaker status, not development, its needs can be handled by commodity level resources. business analysts are the function that analyze, identify, and plan to bridge the gaps between currently deployed systems and future states,