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Disney Finally Squashes Illegal Kiddie Gambling
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DisneyOutsider
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Sorry for the mix-up, I honestly couldn't tell. I knew it didn't make sense to hold that opinion, but honestly nothing surprises me on this board when it comes to complaints.
Also, I think you failed to sense the sarcasm in my post which you replied to. Maybe I did a poor job of communicating it, but my remark about not knowing what to be outraged about was more snark/sarcasm in response to what I perceive on this forum.
Captain Chaos
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If Disney gets rid of the claw games, what are these guys going to do?
Lord_Vader
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This is not a case of cost cutting at all, they were owned and operated by a third-party company that revenue shared with TDO.
This is a response to a poorly worded law aimed at Bingo parlors that has now aimed law enforcement squarely at illegal children's gambling sites such as Chuck E. Cheese, Dave and Busters and WDW that have prizes as a reward for "skill based" games.
I jest with the children's gambling but that is apparently how the law is being enforced which seems to be primary reason Disney is simply removing the potential negative publicity.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Because the 'problem' is not with morality - but how the law is written and it's unintended (sloppy) consequences.
The issue at hand is electronic games, how they are paid, and their payouts. 2 of those don't apply to the midway games.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Actually it's not being enforced against those companies... and in the eyes of the people that WERE targeted... that is a problem. Lawyers behind the grey-area gambling people are crying "Why not them too??" in an effort to make people push back against the law and have it changed.
The law was passed and the targeted people were shutdown because of it... now those people are trying to say "but what about them???" to CeC and D&B to try to get THEM and the public's support for them to get the law changed.
Disney hasn't been singled out for enforcement or lawsuits (the lawyer said it would be like going against goliath). This is a move by Disney on their own....
Lord_Vader
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I guess I should have added the
as my post was more intended as an attempt at humor that does not always come across in text.
SnarkyMonkey
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xdan0920
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Sometime jokes are funnier when people take them seriously. Adds another layer of humor to the proceedings.I guess I should have added the
I'm used to internet cafes as they exist in other places - a bona fide place to rent computer time, usually in highly pedestrian areas with a lot of foreign travellers. The first time I came to Florida, I thought it was odd that the internet cafes were so numerous in rural north Florida. And they were usually situated around the side of a Dollar General or unbranded gas station on a rural highway and always had blacked out windows. At first I wondered why someone would drive to middle of nowhere to use a computer in a dim room. But the question sort of answered itself. They were there for the claw games.
SnarkyMonkey
Well-Known Member
I honestly didn't know that anything called Internet cafe even still existed. Feels like a trip back to the 90s. But I see now that they aren't the same at all. No dial-up for them....just all skee ball, all the time!
tissandtully
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Please expand on this, my son loves just sitting on the machines, like the motorcycles. I've never come across unsavory people, unless you mean people in bathing suits as all the arcades are next to the pool!
Unplugged
Well-Known Member
Thanks but I understand all that. Perhaps I wasn't clear, causing you to misread my post. I never stated that the game industry (gambling gaming) was started with video games. My reference are strictly focused on non-age-regulated game arcades that included video games (and games of skill to earn tickets). BIG difference between games of skill and games with defined payouts as you've verified as well.
Early claw machines were as you stated, games of skill with difficulty settings thrown in. However, many new claw machines are using the defined payout control options which control the grab strength of prizes (resulting in non-grabs or releases). There is a place near me where you can clearly see the machines perform this way, though they tend to pay out more often.
My point was simply that the "rigged" modern prize awarding games being placed in kid friendly arcades have defined payouts. Whether the payouts are as you indicated, based on % (slots), or are defined for specified play counts, it is gambling based on the chances of award. NOT skill. How the law is written varies and
You are correct that this statement may not be correct. Only hear-say from a Disney CM followed by my opinion. Thought that was obvious, sorry.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Sorry, the core argument is much older. It's what lead to pinball being banned in many major cities even up through the 70s. Because pinball could payout credits (even tho they were not exchangable) the payouts and question of skill lead to their ban. It's why 'add a ball' vs (edit) replays were added, and why in many places winning a game via match was illegal. The term "for amusement only" comes from statements put on the games to distinguish between gambling devices and skill devices.
The 'modern' implementation of ticket redemption is simply another variant of the age old 'trade stimulator' games where people would win tokens of some form and exchange them for the desirable item. What has happened since, is the other forms of coin-op gaming have died off, leaving only redemption behind... leaving arcades to be redemption and games that more and more gambling type games. Since the 90s... people see the ticket games alone. But ticket spewing skee ball and bingo games have been around since the pure EM period.
Re: payouts. You are making statements based on observations... I'm making statements from knowledge of actual operators who own the games. The games track payouts and operators adjust difficulty settings to keep the payouts where they want them. Unlike most casinos... coin op route operators have to BUY their games and no one wants to risk having their games seized as illegal gambling devices so its not within anyone's benefit to skirt those definitions.
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DznyGrlSD
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- In the Parks
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I used to have SO MUCH fun at the big Arcade at the Contemporary back in the 80s! (Where the Wave is not if I'm not mistaken)
They had a shooting arcade and tons of games. I fondly remember spending NYE 1986-87 there. No prizes to be won, but I got to play games all night long...what a blast!
They had a shooting arcade and tons of games. I fondly remember spending NYE 1986-87 there. No prizes to be won, but I got to play games all night long...what a blast!
Bocabear
Well-Known Member
The Fiesta Fun Center had that really great shooting gallery, lots of pinball and air hockey a nice snack bar and even a movie theater... It was a great place to hang out while your parents were having a little adult time.
I miss that...but I am remembering being there in like 1975...
TronPinball
New Member
Have you been to an arcade and seen any???
Apparently you don't see all the unsavory people that troll the parks and the resort pools.
TronPinball
New Member
I believe "little kiddies" are corrupted more from TV, the internet, social media and their surrounding. All the times I've been to CEC I never saw any "gambling" machines.
Slowjack
Well-Known Member
I'm okay with skee-ball. It's the machines that are basically roulette wheels I have the problem with.
TronPinball
New Member
Does anyone have pictures of the shooting gallery?? I would really love to see it!