A fairly sparsely used trail that is woodsy and comparatively earthy compared to the rest of the area. go figure!
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Disney Finally Squashes Illegal Kiddie Gambling
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PhilharMagician
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Games still issued tickets last time I was there. You had to go to another machine that you put your tickets into which then put credit on your hard card (like credit card). Either the machine would give you a new card if you requested or would top off an existing one.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
I don't recall seeing any ticket munchers on my last trip, but the again not all the arcades have redemption games.
Must have missed them.
KordovaJD
Well-Known Member
This is a pretty serious blow to an already teetering arcade industry. I happen to be a big arcade hobbiest, rebuilding and repairing games in my spare time for my home arcade. I can tell you operators are going out of business every day. I also happen to have worked in the Texas Legislature. This is a poorly drafted piece of legislation. If you want to outlaw these redemption systems as gambling, then we need a law saying that the sugary cereals cannot be placed on the bottom shelves of the grocery store so kids see them first.
GeneralZod
Well-Known Member
However, correlation is not causation. The arcade didn't force them to deal and partake of illegal drugs. If the arcade wasn't there they would simply move somewhere else.
My son and I have spent hours in several of these arcades and I have never seen anything shady...just pure arcade fun.
Jahona
Well-Known Member
I was wondering this as well. Kinda kills the idea of a pizza arcade if there aren't actually arcades. Granted last time I was their most of the control surfaces were not working. To much abuse from thousands of nonpaying kids. If they did remove the arcade I'm sure they could make some awesome interactive dining experiences.
BoarderPhreak
Well-Known Member
Seriously. It's about time they put that arcade out of its misery.
Oh indeed. I loved video arcades as a kid. I was merely pointing out my last visit to this one. It has the feeling of being a distant part of the park as opposed to say how the Main St Arcade did.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
check out the book - The dark side of Disney
englanddg
One Little Spark...
Yeah, I'm familiar with the group. Never read the book though. But, I've watched plenty of AdamTheWoo's exploits over the years.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
This is an interesting development. I'm ambivalent about this change. On one hand, arcades (especially this one) have generally outlived their usefulness and this one in particular wasn't really a shining star.
On the other hand, this seems like it would just go down as another area of massively underused space in an already cramped Magic Kingdom.
On the other hand, this seems like it would just go down as another area of massively underused space in an already cramped Magic Kingdom.
Maybe they'll convert the space into a FedEx/Kinkos location.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Yes - this is not a general law against video games. The change in the law was about trying to redefine what is covered under gaming laws as gambling. The motivation was to address systems where people were gambling on computers or terminals and then 'cashing out' their prizes in non-cash formats. Gift cards, merchandise, etc. So in their attempt to stop this grey-area gambling, they rewrote the definitions... but in doing so impacted redemption machines.
If it isn't coin operated, and gives out more than a .75c return, it could be subject to the new law. This meant redemption games in arcades that worked on electronic cards using credits, and were giving out tickets redeemed for prizes were at risk of being lumped in with the new law. Thus, the overlap with the kind of redemption arcades Disney was operating... games in general were not at risk.. it's the redemption stuff, how its operated, and what it pays out that were getting caught by this new definition.
JohnD
Well-Known Member
Here's the law, Chapter 2013-02 Laws of Florida which primarily updates Chapter 849, Florida Statutes.
Among the items according to the summary:
"An act relating to the prohibition of electronic gambling devices; ...
amending s. 849.161, F.S., relating to amusement games or machines;"
Specifically Section 849.161(1)(a):
849.161 Amusement games or machines; when chapter inapplicable.—
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Amusement games or machines” means games which operate by means of the insertion of a coin, and which by application of skill may entitle the person playing or operating the game or machine to receive points or coupons, the cost value of which does not exceed 75 cents on any game played, which may be exchanged for merchandise. The term does not include casino-style games in which the outcome is determined by factors unpredictable by the player or games in which the player may not control the outcome of the game through skill.
Among the items according to the summary:
"An act relating to the prohibition of electronic gambling devices; ...
amending s. 849.161, F.S., relating to amusement games or machines;"
Specifically Section 849.161(1)(a):
849.161 Amusement games or machines; when chapter inapplicable.—
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Amusement games or machines” means games which operate by means of the insertion of a coin, and which by application of skill may entitle the person playing or operating the game or machine to receive points or coupons, the cost value of which does not exceed 75 cents on any game played, which may be exchanged for merchandise. The term does not include casino-style games in which the outcome is determined by factors unpredictable by the player or games in which the player may not control the outcome of the game through skill.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
Also, the secluded walking path from Fantasyland to Tomorrowland, I've definitely smelled pot coming from that area from the TTA.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
Hidden smoking area back there (and, I don't mean for the wacky stuff). Lots of people don't even know it exists, even people who go often.