Disney fighting hard to keep gambling out of Florida

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
I don't see where I did. If a casino opened up miles outside of disney, it's none of disney's business.
If a major new recreation destination opened up in the vicinity of Walt Disney World, even if it was very different from what WDW offers, you don't think that could potentially have an impact on Disney's business? You don't think that they might have a motivated self-interest to do what they can to keep competitors out of the area? I'm sure if they thought they would have had a realistic chance of keeping Universal out of Orlando, they would have tried that too.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
I don't see where I did. If a casino opened up miles outside of disney, it's none of disney's business.

Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by "business" - but in any case, it's definitely in their interests.

I think people have pretty well-illustrated in this thread all the reasons why. Disney doesn't want people setting up shop outside the gates with the "Storybook Casino", and frankly, they don't want the competition for guest attention. Casinos often come with a lot of low-priced or free food as enticements, for example. It's very much in their interests to maintain Orlando as a "family friendly" destination, and for people to keep going to Disney Springs for food and entertainment.

People also seem hung up on the money thing - this is really a small amount, from whatever fund they keep aside specifically for lobbying purposes. This kind of stuff happens all the time. And I'd be pretty surprised if Universal/Comcast hasn't also contributed as it would adversely affect all of the theme parks in the area, and the public perception as Orlando as a whole.
 

21stamps

Well-Known Member
Omg. People need to stop with these crazy comparisons.
No, casinos aren’t always associated with “low prices or free food”.

The title of this thread is misleading.. don’t worry people, the wild leaps being talked about here aren’t going to happen any time soon.
 
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TheGenXer

Member
Disney at one time may have cared about a 'Family Friendly' image, Now it's all about the bucks, If offering Gaming on Disney premises will bring in more bucks than 'Family Friendly' Gaming will be there in a hot minute.

Disney's a public company it's fiduciary duty is to maximize shareholder value, When gaming becomes a neccessary component of maximizing shareholder value it will happen. Until then fantasize about how Disney cares about it's Family Image.

Surely you understand that it's more involved than this? Right? Disney could temporarily make more money by sticking hookers on Main Street. But, in the long term, that would damage their BRAND. A huge part of that brand is their focus on family friendly entertainment. In short, it would drive more money away than it brought in.
 

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
Disney at one time may have cared about a 'Family Friendly' image, Now it's all about the bucks, If offering Gaming on Disney premises will bring in more bucks than 'Family Friendly' Gaming will be there in a hot minute.

Disney's a public company it's fiduciary duty is to maximize shareholder value, When gaming becomes a neccessary component of maximizing shareholder value it will happen. Until then fantasize about how Disney cares about it's Family Image.
Either you are being deliberately obtuse or you do not understand what is involved in maximizing shareholder value over the long term.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
Either you are being deliberately obtuse or you do not understand what is involved in maximizing shareholder value over the long term.
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Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
Either you are being deliberately obtuse or you do not understand what is involved in maximizing shareholder value over the long term.
As users and final consumers.
The whole "maximizing shareholder value" means nothing for us. In some cases is more detrimental as CEOS cut more than a bone to "maximize" profits and "efficiency".
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Either you are being deliberately obtuse or you do not understand what is involved in maximizing shareholder value over the long term.

Yeah I do and the concept came from convicted fraudster Michael Milliken and was taken up by the CEO community as a way to inflate their pay packages, MSV should be called maximizing short term value because most companies that practice it wind up in bankruptcy court.
 

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
Yeah I do and the concept came from convicted fraudster Michael Milliken and was taken up by the CEO community as a way to inflate their pay packages, MSV should be called maximizing short term value because most companies that practice it wind up in bankruptcy court.
Well, there is a difference between maximizing value in the short term and actually maximizing value for real, which means over the long haul. The former is ultimately disastrous for a company. And, yes, there are unethical and corrupt CEO's who use the former for personal benefit while not caring what happens to the company or its shareholders in the long term. And, unfortunately, "the market" often incentivizes looking at what happens in one quarter over what is happening long term.

That being said, not every company and every CEO is like that. Companies that want to last and prosper can't just look at what is happening today. I do not know Bob Iger personally and am not likely to ever meet him. I can't say what personally drives the man. But looking at his tenure with the company, there is significant evidence to suggest that he is willing to make significant investments in development that will only pay off over the long term.

For example, right now, we are seeing the single largest expansion in the theme parks that the company -- probably any company, for that matter -- has ever undertaken. You may not agree with every decision being made in the parks. You may think the entire thing is a bad idea and needed to go in a different direction. But there's no question that the company is spending capital today for returns that won't be seen for years. That is not the mark of a CEO trying to maximize a quarter's worth of profit for his own gain.

I'm not saying Bob Iger is the perfect CEO or that Disney is making all the right decisions. However, to argue that he is making a string of bad decisions solely with the purpose of driving up value over the next few quarters to enrich himself at the expense of the company's long-term viability seems totally counter to the actual evidence of what the company is doing.
 

Pixieish

Well-Known Member
Well, there is a difference between maximizing value in the short term and actually maximizing value for real, which means over the long haul. The former is ultimately disastrous for a company. And, yes, there are unethical and corrupt CEO's who use the former for personal benefit while not caring what happens to the company or its shareholders in the long term. And, unfortunately, "the market" often incentivizes looking at what happens in one quarter over what is happening long term.

That being said, not every company and every CEO is like that. Companies that want to last and prosper can't just look at what is happening today. I do not know Bob Iger personally and am not likely to ever meet him. I can't say what personally drives the man. But looking at his tenure with the company, there is significant evidence to suggest that he is willing to make significant investments in development that will only pay off over the long term.

For example, right now, we are seeing the single largest expansion in the theme parks that the company -- probably any company, for that matter -- has ever undertaken. You may not agree with every decision being made in the parks. You may think the entire thing is a bad idea and needed to go in a different direction. But there's no question that the company is spending capital today for returns that won't be seen for years. That is not the mark of a CEO trying to maximize a quarter's worth of profit for his own gain.

I'm not saying Bob Iger is the perfect CEO or that Disney is making all the right decisions. However, to argue that he is making a string of bad decisions solely with the purpose of driving up value over the next few quarters to enrich himself at the expense of the company's long-term viability seems totally counter to the actual evidence of what the company is doing.

However, his record historically is that he is short-term driven...which indicates to me that the investments he's making now are merely so people will say "look what Iger did!". He's strictly trying to make sure he isn't permanently labeled a greed-monger.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
However, his record historically is that he is short-term driven...which indicates to me that the investments he's making now are merely so people will say "look what Iger did!". He's strictly trying to make sure he isn't permanently labeled a greed-monger.

How has Iger been short-term driven? By completing the purchase of Pixar after Eisner almost lost them? Marvel? Lucasfilm? Those are very much assets that not only have made Disney the #1 studio again, have already well-paid for themselves.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
How has Iger been short-term driven? By completing the purchase of Pixar after Eisner almost lost them? Marvel? Lucasfilm? Those are very much assets that not only have made Disney the #1 studio again, have already well-paid for themselves.
Because that’s the narrative of course!
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Well, there is a difference between maximizing value in the short term and actually maximizing value for real, which means over the long haul. The former is ultimately disastrous for a company. And, yes, there are unethical and corrupt CEO's who use the former for personal benefit while not caring what happens to the company or its shareholders in the long term. And, unfortunately, "the market" often incentivizes looking at what happens in one quarter over what is happening long term.

That being said, not every company and every CEO is like that. Companies that want to last and prosper can't just look at what is happening today. I do not know Bob Iger personally and am not likely to ever meet him. I can't say what personally drives the man. But looking at his tenure with the company, there is significant evidence to suggest that he is willing to make significant investments in development that will only pay off over the long term.

For example, right now, we are seeing the single largest expansion in the theme parks that the company -- probably any company, for that matter -- has ever undertaken. You may not agree with every decision being made in the parks. You may think the entire thing is a bad idea and needed to go in a different direction. But there's no question that the company is spending capital today for returns that won't be seen for years. That is not the mark of a CEO trying to maximize a quarter's worth of profit for his own gain.

I'm not saying Bob Iger is the perfect CEO or that Disney is making all the right decisions. However, to argue that he is making a string of bad decisions solely with the purpose of driving up value over the next few quarters to enrich himself at the expense of the company's long-term viability seems totally counter to the actual evidence of what the company is doing.


Whatever you are smoking must be potent stuff, Disneys so called 'expansion' 3.5 billion over a decade pales in comparison to the 100 billion they plan to fritter away on share repurchases in the same period. That is assuming TWDC does not go 'poof' in that same period (which once Iger leaves I think it will because in the absence of a 'superstar ceo' wall st will not be happy).

EPCOT was and is the biggest expansion in inflation adjusted dollars Disney has ever done.

People are so desperate for something new at Disney everything new is 'the greatest ever' while in reality it's just meh at best.
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
Premium Member
Uh, there already is gambling in Florida. Dog tracks, horse tracks and the 5 Seminole Tribe spots.
 

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
Whatever you are smoking must be potent stuff, Disneys so called 'expansion' 3.5 billion over a decade pales in comparison to the 100 billion they plan to fritter away on share repurchases in the same period. That is assuming TWDC does not go 'poof' in that same period (which once Iger leaves I think it will because in the absence of a 'superstar ceo' wall st will not be happy).

EPCOT was and is the biggest expansion in inflation adjusted dollars Disney has ever done.

People are so desperate for something new at Disney everything new is 'the greatest ever' while in reality it's just meh at best.
k.
 

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