Magic Crush Drop
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Disney Experiences Cast Members May Now Swear Onstage?
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Reminds of the time I nearly deep-fried my hand while putting frozen burritos in the hot oil. I'm pretty sure they did hear me onstage that time.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I think everyone who’s ever been a cook in a restaurant has profanity stories involving the deep fryers, I haven’t worked as a cook in 30+ years and just reading your post vividly brought back some painful memories, we made scones and I swear those things would drip scalding oil on my arms at least once a week, didn’t matter how many times I turned them or how long I let them sit, there was always oil “hiding” in/on them waiting to drip on me. A pain you have to experience to truly appreciate.
No, that's not what this is. This is class-based unfairness, and Rules For Thee But Not For Me.
Many professional companies who thrive via American Free Market Capitalism, and Disney used to be one of them, maintain the same standards and rules for the entry-level employees as they do for the Dockers-clad lower managers as they do for the senior executives.
Walt purposely established his theme park division that way. Walt made it a first name organization across the board, from the night janitor to the Disneyland President, and the only Mr. at Disneyland was Mr. Toad. Walt also had the same rules for his salaried management at the Parks as he did for the 18 year old kid flipping burgers in Tomorrowland; haircuts for men, no facial hair for men, rules for ladies makeup and mascara, no two-tone hair dye, specific rules for ladies fingernail polish and how many earrings they could wear, shined shoes, no profanity, no yelling, no drug use, etc., etc.
Those rules are now either gone, or hanging by a thread.
So if an senior executive can drop a four letter word into a microphone delivering prepared remarks to paying guests onstage, why can't a 19 year old Jungle Cruise Skipper drop a four letter word into a microphone delivering prepared remarks to paying guests onstage?
Magic Crush Drop
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I think you just missed the obvious contradiction here in this statement (Walt having facial hair despite being higher management).
My world view is that the Disney Parks senior leadership is lost and running their once vaunted product into the ditch. This tacky display using profanity by Bruce Vaughn with a microphone in his hand at D23 Expo is just the latest blatant example of it.
By the time D23 Expo ended on Sunday, there were even more glaring examples of how lost they are, but kicking it off on Thursday night at the media event the way Bruce Vaughn did set the tone. Disney Parks are lost, and are currently being run by senior executives who are actively damaging their brand and their product.
By the time D23 Expo ended on Sunday, there were even more glaring examples of how lost they are, but kicking it off on Thursday night at the media event the way Bruce Vaughn did set the tone. Disney Parks are lost, and are currently being run by senior executives who are actively damaging their brand and their product.
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Magic Crush Drop
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You still didn't acknowledge my other point. But I'll play along with your claim.This profanity issue doesn't challenge my world view, it merely reinforces it.
My world view is that the Disney Parks senior leadership is lost and running their once vaunted product into the ditch. This tacky display using profanity by Bruce Vaughn with a microphone in his hand at D23 Expo is just the latest blatant example of it.
By the time D23 Expo ended on Sunday, there were even more glaring examples of how lost they are, but kicking it off on Thursday night at the media event the way Bruce Vaughn did set the tone. Disney Parks are lost, and are currently being run by senior executives who are actively damaging their brand and their product.
Even if the Parks are directionless, what do you propose to do to fix the executives? Because if you just get new ones, they are conditioned to act the same way as the old ones via market forces thrust on a public company. If you seek family members, there's no precedent that all of them care about Walt's legacy or rules. The only way is by privatization which is complicated since Disney is a large company with many shares outstanding.
Disney Irish
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Not to mention many Imagineers of the time having facial hair. So it was ok for the guys developing the attractions, just not running them. So there was always this "Rules for Thee not for Me" system at Disneyland.
You still didn't answer my question I posed several times here...
Care to answer that one?
How about....
Return to a Company known for its egalitarian hospitality with high standards for everyone, from executives to burger flippers?
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Disney Irish
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Why can Imagineers like Tony Baxter and X Atencio have facial hair even though the 19 year old Jungle Cruise Skipper couldn't. There have always been different rules for management than there have been for front line workers, it goes all the way back to Walt's day and hasn't changed.
Disney Irish
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I don't think anyone here is really saying that they feel that front-line CMs should be allowed to swear. But what is being said is that management, all the way up to Walt himself, has always been allowed to do things that front-line CMs aren't allowed to do, examples were provided. Now if you feel that is not right or fair, well this is where the comment of "Welcome to capitalism" comes into the picture. Those at the top of an organization make the rules even if they don't themselves follow those same rules.
Yeah, he does sound dumb. Especially because he's a 59 year old man desperately trying to still look/sound young and hip.
But all he really did was make himself look like a 59 year old man who was trying too hard. Aside from just being tacky.
And pulling a dumb stunt that would get the 19 year old Jungle Cruise Skipper version of himself fired immediately.
WoundedDreamer
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Agreed.
I think this whole thread is emblematic of Disney's transformation into meaninglessness. Disney used to denote the company and corporate culture created by Walt Disney. Today, "Disney" refers to the parent company of various franchises, including Shogun, the Planet of the Apes, Deadpool, ABC News, Sports Center, Indiana Jones, Alien, Star Wars, Frozen, Inside Out, FX, National Geographic, Poor Things, etc. What is "Disney?" It doesn't mean what it meant ten years ago, twenty years ago, and definitely not what it meant fifty years ago.
Vaughn is embracing the expanded definition of "Disney." One that has nothing to do with Walt Disney's corporate culture. Hey, if Feige and Deadpool can do it, why not him? It's all "Disney!"
What is interesting is just how awkward the script and presentation is. That curse word was read off of a teleprompter. I don't know if you saw any of D'Amaro's presentation, but it too was awkward and poorly written. For a company that is supposed to be a storyteller, I'm disturbed by their inability to communicate. I understand nerves when standing in front of thousands of people. But I can't excuse bad writing. That is dumbfounding.
Was it really? There was a teleprompter present?!? I'll have to look for more video of this event, as that makes it all even worse.
I was reminded of another Disney muckity-muck (now former, and can't remember her name) who threw a hissy fit publicly and went on record as saying she quit Disney because they wouldn't give her a free ticket to Disneyland for her best friend,. Except...
That wasn't at all what had happened. She was using her Disney employee sign-in privilege, which had already been changed just for her so that her nanny could use the sign-in pass without her (the actual Disney employee) being present at the park gate. Her sister wanted to join the group that day, but the sign-in pass had already been used, and the sister didn't want to pay for a ticket. And the main gate CM's wouldn't let the sister in for free, or allow the pass to add another comp ticket. So the Disney muckity-muck threw a fit, both in person the day of the incident and in public in the weeks afterward when she used that indignity as a reason to quit Disney entirely in a huff.
Now imagine a lifelong hourly CM or a Dockers-clad manager with the same "Silver Pass" sign-in privilege she had ever getting the same courtesies extended to them. It wouldn't happen. And if that CM threw a fit like that, they'd be subject to revoking their pass, official discipline, or perhaps firing.
Rules For Thee, But Not For Me.
MarvelCharacterNerd
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That was Shonda Rhimes.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
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DarkMetroid567
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I really do think you guys are just getting old.
TrainsOfDisney
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funny enough - that would be considered a no-no - you assigned a gender. “I think you friends are just getting old” would be correct.
That happened long ago, at least for me. But it has nothing to do with professionalism and egalitarianism.
Also, that statement makes you sound ageist and sexist. Or at best, assuming and transphobic.
That was Shonda Rhimes.
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Thank you! I couldn't remember her name, I just remembered that it was a woman who worked in TV, doing things in... TV.
She had a deal where her CM Comp Pass could be used by her nanny to take her kids to the park for free without her present. No other CM would get that special treatment. Then one day her nanny signed in her kids, but her sister showed up later and wanted in for free. The lowly 2011 Honda Civic drivng CM's at the main entrance and their 2021 Honda Accord driving Dockers-clad manager made the huge mistake of not knowing who she was, and stuck to their training and the very clear employment manual rules that 75,000 other Disney Parks CM's use for their comp ticket passes, and that infuriated Ms. Rhimes. How dare those stupid theme park peons deny her sister a free ticket without her present when her nanny and children were already in the park! Don't they know who I am?!?
The rest is history. Especially for Ms. Rhimes and her services rendered to the Walt Disney Company.
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Magic Crush Drop
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Even your jokes are crusty.