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Disney Experiences Cast Members May Now Swear Onstage?
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denyuntilcaught
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I'd say cursing in white collar jobs is quite common. I certainly do it.
PiratesMansion
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Yet again, faux outrage for drama and engagement.
Our staff meetings with our execs at times get heated and quite the passions come out
Disney Irish
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I corrected my post as I realize that it seemed like I work blue collar now. So I changed it to reflect that work was in the past.
I work in white collar jobs now, and have for a long time. And even in those environments cursing happens and is common, just as in your experience.
MoonRakerSCM
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I curse after reading the room. When I'm dealing with ditch diggers in the field I certainly will cuss accordingly a lot (though not always). But in meetings and office space, some VPs I lightly cuss with while others I remain fully professional.
I've been in a lot of meetings lately with our regional president and corporate lawyers, so there has been zero cussing.
But one thing I never do, is cuss to the general public or customer/client.
I've been in a lot of meetings lately with our regional president and corporate lawyers, so there has been zero cussing.
But one thing I never do, is cuss to the general public or customer/client.
Yes. Automatic termination for CM's caught cursing onstage has been a long standing policy at Disney Parks.
There was a Disney World CM who got fired for swearing onstage rather publicly a few months ago, when she was being bullied by some truly awful customers at her vending cart on Main Street. A video of the altercation was on TikTok, and she let a swear word slip in the altercation, and she was immediately fired.
It's a Disney rule for CM's that is easy to find on the forums, or on other websites that can't be named here.
I am bored waiting for Josh D'Amaro to get to his point, but the hypocrisy here is what bothers me.
If this had been an hourly CM working crowd control out in front of the WDI Pavilion, and he told the assembled line of guests "There some cool s*** in there!" that CM would be fired. And rightfully so.
Meanwhile, a senior executive working for the same Disney division can be handed a microphone to deliver prepared remarks at a media event, and he says the same word on purpose and... nothing happens to him. Think about the discrepancy in that situation for two different people working for the same company in the exact same venue and place and time.
There is no "outrage" here. I would classify it as being annoyed by hypocrisy.
I do not think hourly Parks CM's should be allowed to swear onstage in front of guests. I think Disney's longstanding policy of automatic termination for swearing onstage is appropriate, and one of the few standards that hasn't been allowed to be lowered in recent years.
Similarly, I do not think salaried Parks executives wearing a nametag and appearing at an official company event with a microphone in hand should be allowed to swear onstage in front of guests.
Heck, you can't even type that word he used on this website. Why? Because it's inappropriate for Disney.
I can't stand class-based unfairness and hypocrisy. This is a blatant example of both, and it really annoys me.
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Grimley1968
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Bolding mine, but that statement is key. It's one thing to curse in settings where it's not necessarily inappropriate, and especially in private. I personally do it way too much in private and it's something I try to curb, because it's just not helpful and wastes time, in my experience.
But that guy dropping a curse word in a public speech, on camera and on microphone, on behalf of a multi billion dollar family-centered corporation in front of enthusiasts of the same corporation, is an inappropriate and weird time to do it.
Whether work policies prohibit swearing out loud at all at work is irrelevant, IMO, because this is not simply swearing at work. It's in front of customers, which is an entirely different situation than chatting with coworkers off mic and off camera.
FettFan
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Tonight at the D23 Expo media event, WDI President Bruce Vaughn inaugurated this year's WDI Pavilion with a little speech on stage in front of assembled media and key influencers with prepared remarks. And he dropped a four letter cuss word, just to prove how cool and hip he is, and how cool and hip WDI now is under his leadership.
Think about this. If a Jungle Cruise Skipper dropped that same four letter cuss word in their spiel, or a frazzled CM dropped that four letter word while dealing with a customer yelling about them about a broken down ride, or a messed up cheeseburger order, or cancelled fireworks show due to winds at higher elevations, that hourly CM would be immediately fired for swearing in front of customers. I would imagine even a Dockers-clad manager would be fired under the same circumstances if they were caught swearing in front of customers "onstage" in the Parks.
But if you are a senior executive, apparently those rules no longer apply to you. Or worse, the rules have now changed and the hourly CM's, Crew Members and Imagineers who work in the Disney Experiences division reporting to Josh D'Amaro are now allowed to swear into microphones in onstage environments while delivering prepared remarks to paying customers.
A new era has dawned...
Bruce Vaughn - Disney Experiences
As president and chief creative officer of Walt Disney Imagineering, Bruce Vaughn leads the global, multidisciplinary team behind the concept, design and delivery of Disney’s theme parks, attractions, resorts, cruise ships and entertainment experiences. Collaborating with peers across Disney...disneyconnect.com
Typically I’m unfazed by language,…but if you’re a company like Disney, then:
A. You’re supposed to be better than that. Disney was once the gold standard for employee behavior, now it’s Chick Fil A.
B. A company’s standards need to be across the board, from the part time TTC cashier all the way to Bob Iger.
This reeks of corporate “rules for three, not for me” mentality.
Thank you for getting it. I am not concerned that Bruce Vaughn swore in a Glendale conference room amongst his peers. I would expect that to happen, especially now that we know he uses those types of curse words regularly.
Rather, I am concerned that a nametag wearing Bruce Vaughn swore into a microphone in front of guests while giving prepared remarks at D23 Expo. If an hourly CM working crowd control at D23 Expo used the same word in front of guests, that CM would be fired for using that language. But Bruce Vaughn gets away with it? Why?
Exactly. It is the class-based hypocrisy here that bothers me. A highly paid Disney executive should follow the same rules as an entry-level hourly CM, especially when working at the exact same Disney event and facility in front of the same paying guests.
If Bruce Vaughn can use swear words while speaking into a microphone to guests on the D23 Expo showfloor, then why can't the hourly CM working crowd control for the WDI Pavilion use swear words when speaking to those same guests?
Isn't it enough that Bruce Vaughn gets free valet parking at the Grand Californian whenever he goes to Disneyland? Now he needs to be able to go onstage wearing a Disney nametag and swear into microphones in front of paying guests too?
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Mr. Sullivan
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I have been allowed to openly curse at every job I’ve ever had, including my current one.
While serving cheeseburgers to paying customers?
Tomorrowland Terrace CM to Guest: "Here's your burger without pickles, it's the ****!"
How long do you think that CM would be employed? Fun Fact: That CM wouldn't make it to his next coffee break.
Mr. Sullivan
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There is such a big deal being made out of nothing here. He let a curse word slip. So what? Everyone’s done it. This isn’t really worth a thread.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Hopefully you’re not a teacher or a pediatrician.
Adults swearing around other adults is one thing, a Disney park full of children is not a place swearing should be allowed though.
Still not termination worthy as a slip though.
SuddenStorm
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Funny you should mention- for decades a Jungle Cruise tradition was the 'last ride', where they take the boat around with other skippers/family/friends only and give a much more adult spiel. They're supposed to often be hilarious, and a great send off for the skipper.
In the last year, Jungle Cruise Management nixed this and it's no longer allowed. Because a skipper filmed their last ride and posted it on Youtube, where it got the attention of D'Amaro and Potrock.
SuddenStorm
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Yeah this is customer service 101.
Disney needs to hire someone to work on brand rehabilitation and preservation asap. This is ridiculous.
Mr. Sullivan
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There is a huge difference between swearing AT a customer and swearing in front of one and I think you know that.
There aren’t many industries that hold fast to the “no-no words you can’t say in front of customers” anymore because the idea of curse words being offensive to the general public is rather outdated. Most people truly don’t care.
I work in the customer service wing of the golf industry. I have sworn in front of customers, and they swear (flagrantly) in front of me. Most people don’t hold onto this puritan idea that swearing in public is some sin.
Regardless, this was clearly an excited slip of the tongue. Happens to everyone. I promise you that a regular CM would not be fired over this. I’ve already been talking about this with my CM friends, it would not result in anything more than a talking to, maybe a warning, and that has been the case for a long time.
The "No Swearing Onstage" rule has a long history behind it. There are many instances on message boards for decades where CM's discuss this, and talk about knowing friends that were fired for letting a curse word slip onstage. Or were fired for swearing onstage themselves.
This hip n' edgy new era of Onstage Profanity that Bruce Vaughn kicked off yesterday at D23 Expo, with a nametag and microphone no less, probably ticked off every Parks executive and Dockers clad manager that has had to maintain those employment standards for decades.
Obviously Bruce Vaughn isn't going to lose his job. No one probably even has the backbone to say anything to him about it. Which is really unfortunate for all the hourly CM's who have lost their jobs for saying the same thing, or even less, that Bruce Vaughn did yesterday.
It actually is. Here's the current WDW Union contract for hourly CM's. The Disneyland contract for the hourly folks just got approved, so I need to fine tune my Google search to find their 2024 documents. In the meantime, this is for WDW Unionized Cast Members....
Thanks for digging this helpful info up!