News Disney Early Morning Magic comes to Toy Story Land at Disney's Hollywood Studios

[erasure fan1]

Here’s where I “sorta” defend Disney...

They’re “trying”...construction underway.

It’s organic growth that preserved its unique appeal/ambience.

Iger killed that by not adding. It’s that simple.

Agreed they are building. But again it's still seems to me they are only half trying. Everything they have done, is significantly under built. Now granted, it's their fault, by like you said not building. But they have held the line that they will go at their own pace, and not fast track the attractions to relieve the preasure. And it will only het worse with star wars.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Chill out dude, whenever I see you on a thread it's always worked up and angry at somebody or something.

I’ve never been “angry” on a Disney forum...not once.

No emotion.

Unless “angry” is “not suffering fools who make really bad excuses for greedy American companies”...

In which case I’m guilty

 

[xdan0920]

You can’t guarantee they aren’t shortening hours. And to be honest...in September they are.

Selling blocks eliminates what they used to do: lengthen hours based on crowds.

You know...included in the ticket?

What a brave new world we have

My favorite thing is that people bend over backwards to defend Disney and these types of upsells. It's optional they scream from the rooftops. It's good for MY family, and I am the most self centered person in the world so I love it. So on and so forth.

And now that I have my venting out of the way on yet another Disney cash grab, being defended by the usual crew....

I bid you all adieu. Perhaps I will resurface once again the next time Disney attempts to fleece me.

 

[wdisney9000]

What irks me about "events" such as this is how it is marketed as "maximize your time at Hollywood Studios...". But you have to pay to maximize your time. It kinda makes me feel like Disney is saying, "we actually made the price of admission to HS worth it, but now we want to charge you if you dont want to wait 120 minutes for SDD or not have to stand in the blazing sun for 20 minutes to get a picture with Woody".

 

[DisneyOutsider]

My favorite thing is that people bend over backwards to defend Disney and these types of upsells. It's optional they scream from the rooftops. It's good for MY family, and I am the most self centered person in the world so I love it. So on and so forth.

And now that I have my venting out of the way on yet another Disney cash grab, being defended by the usual crew....

I bid you all adieu. Perhaps I will resurface once again the next time Disney attempts to fleece me.

The vast majority of this thread is members who agree with your opinion step for step. You're creating quite the straw-man and being quite nasty in the process.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The vast majority of this thread is members who agree with your opinion step for step. You're creating quite the straw-man and being quite nasty in the process.

Really???

See...in the 25 years of forums...that hasn’t been the case at all. I would say that recently we may be getting close to 50/50

You know the problem with that? It probably used to be 8-2 or 7-3...

That’s Disney’s problem. It’s predictive.

Nobody is better at analyzing data...I’d bet the farm they know this.

Why are they upselling then? Because the street demands it to fill up “shortcomings”.

Bob iger is a scorched earth CEO. Do you actually think buying fox media for 3x its value is a good move? That’s short term.

So are upsells in an underbuilt land in an underbuilt Park.

 

[Unplugged]

...OR.. some people are willing to pay for convenience and an unforgettable/enjoyable experience.

You can not compare EMH to these events. They’re completely different.

Or having been going to WDW for over 20 years and seeing how the pricing structure has radically changed in the more recent years, I simply cannot comprehend the value statement. My issue with this particular event, is thatI understand this to be in addition to the cost of the park tickets. Had this been a lower price point, say $49 for adults, or had the extended park time been longer, or the breakfast a bit more elaborate/at a dining facility, I would view it as more reasonable. But the time seems short, the breakfast offering too simplistic, and you only have access to an area of the park with only 3 attractions total.

Proportionately, this seems way too expensive for what it is and for a family of 4, seems really hard to justify. IMHO

 

[DisneyDodo]

Maybe I'm just really dumb, but can someone please explain to me how anyone is worse as a result of this offering? This is not replacing anything. Standard park opening time is 9am, and there is no indication that this will replace EMH. So it's either TSL sits unused between 730 and 845 on these days, or this.

No, this does not solve all of Disney's problems. It doesn't fix the fact that DHS needs more offerings. But, again, this is not coming at anything else's expense. Had Disney announced that they would be canceling SWGE and offering this event in its stead, I could understand people being up in arms. But that's just not the case here. For those people who don't find this event to be worth the exorbitant price, myself included, they can continue to live their lives exactly as they would have had this event never existed. I am no Disney apologist, but Disney making money on something is not inherently bad.

 

[Andrew C]

Maybe I'm just really dumb, but can someone please explain to me how anyone is worse as a result of this offering? T

Many people think they should just extend park hours all around to accommodate the crowds...rather than trying to sell a separate ticket for the same park for early morning hours. Someone can correct me but I think that is the bottom line.

 

[kong1802]

Maybe I'm just really dumb, but can someone please explain to me how anyone is worse as a result of this offering? This is not replacing anything. Standard park opening time is 9am, and there is no indication that this will replace EMH. So it's either TSL sits unused between 730 and 845 on these days, or this.

No, this does not solve all of Disney's problems. It doesn't fix the fact that DHS needs more offerings. But, again, this is not coming at anything else's expense. Had Disney announced that they would be canceling SWGE and offering this event in its stead, I could understand people being up in arms. But that's just not the case here. For those people who don't find this event to be worth the exorbitant price, myself included, they can continue to live their lives exactly as they would have had this event never existed. I am no Disney apologist, but Disney making money on something is not inherently bad.

Or.....

They could just open at 7 AM everyday for everyone.........since the demand is there and ticket prices have doubled in the last 10 years or so.........

 

[geekza]

For those people who don't find this event to be worth the exorbitant price, myself included, they can continue to live their lives exactly as they would have had this event never existed.

Except for the fact that now, if you're a regular guest, getting to the park at opening no longer helps you avoid the enormous lines for TSL. It will already be crowded when you are allowed in. Yeah, it's a bit of a First World Problem, but it's still taking something away from the regular guest. Not that it hasn't been the case for a long time with Extra Magic Hours and off-site guests. It's just another sign that Disney will find a way to monetize everything it can, even if it means taking something away from those who are unable to pay the extra money.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Or.....

They could just open at 7 AM everyday for everyone.........since the demand is there and ticket prices have doubled in the last 10 years or so.........

Nah...that is a plan with a moral compass...

The free market knows all!!
The free market is GOD!!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Except for the fact that now, if you're a regular guest, getting to the park at opening no longer helps you avoid the enormous lines for TSL. It will already be crowded when you are allowed in. Yeah, it's a bit of a First World Problem, but it's still taking something away from the regular guest. Not that it hasn't been the case for a long time with Extra Magic Hours and off-site guests. It's just another sign that Disney will find a way to monetize everything it can, even if it means taking something away from those who are unable to pay the extra money.

In order to circumvent the fast pass system - which is the problem - everyone has to bum rush extra magic hours to get more than 3 rides comfortably in the day...

So there is the “demand” created for the upsell. It’s brilliant...but it’s system rigging that devalues both the tickets and the hotels.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Many people think they should just extend park hours all around to accommodate the crowds...rather than trying to sell a separate ticket for the same park for early morning hours. Someone can correct me but I think that is the bottom line.

I would label that “the bottomline steeped in common sense”

If you’re a fan of history (I am)...there happens to be 50 or so years of Disney park operations that show that tends to work and keeps people happy.

 

[DisneyOutsider]

Really???

See...in the 25 years of forums...that hasn’t been the case at all. I would say that recently we may be getting close to 50/50

You know the problem with that? It probably used to be 8-2 or 7-3...

That’s Disney’s problem. It’s predictive.

Nobody is better at analyzing data...I’d bet the farm they know this.

Why are they upselling then? Because the street demands it to fill up “shortcomings”.

Bob iger is a scorched earth CEO. Do you actually think buying fox media for 3x its value is a good move? That’s short term.

So are upsells in an underbuilt land in an underbuilt Park.

Did you reply to the wrong post? Your essay above didn't address my post in any way, nor did my post contradict your opinion. However, I think I can definitely lump you in with the user I was replying directly to. You came out swinging in this thread pre-bashing any who dare to come out as "apologists", when really there was only a small handful respectfully voicing their experience with these events as a positive one.

I'm over-stepping here and playing the wannabe moderator, which I know I shouldn't because it's annoying, but the tone of this thread is wildly off-putting, even as I agree with the sentiment you're expressing. It's okay to respectfully disagree. This isn't a competition to see how the board slants. There doesn't have to be winners and losers in every discussion.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Maybe I'm just really dumb, but can someone please explain to me how anyone is worse as a result of this offering? This is not replacing anything. Standard park opening time is 9am, and there is no indication that this will replace EMH. So it's either TSL sits unused between 730 and 845 on these days, or this.

No, this does not solve all of Disney's problems. It doesn't fix the fact that DHS needs more offerings. But, again, this is not coming at anything else's expense. Had Disney announced that they would be canceling SWGE and offering this event in its stead, I could understand people being up in arms. But that's just not the case here. For those people who don't find this event to be worth the exorbitant price, myself included, they can continue to live their lives exactly as they would have had this event never existed. I am no Disney apologist, but Disney making money on something is not inherently bad.

It’s not so much the hours with this one -although they can certainly open at 8 am anyway - it’s ridiculous that they do the “after hours” at magic kingdom. That is a complete operational croc of BS. If the “crowd calendar” is at a 7 or 8 (layman’s term), and fastpass has bogged you down (it has)...you don’t close the park at 8 or 9pm.

That closing time was meant for Septembers and Novembers in 1998 when it was DEAD and nobody had ride reservations.

 

[DisneyDodo]

Except for the fact that now, if you're a regular guest, getting to the park at opening no longer helps you avoid the enormous lines for TSL. It will already be crowded when you are allowed in. Yeah, it's a bit of a First World Problem, but it's still taking something away from the regular guest. Not that it hasn't been the case for a long time with Extra Magic Hours and off-site guests. It's just another sign that Disney will find a way to monetize everything it can, even if it means taking something away from those who are unable to pay the extra money.

This actually might improve (albeit negligibly) TSL rope-drop crowds. The guests who partook in EMM have already ridden the TSL rides many times and are likely to move to other attractions (or to their included breakfast) when EMM ends. By giving these guests access to TSL before park opening, you are essentially reducing the number of guests who will want to ride those rides during park hours.

 

[HauntedPirate]

This actually might improve (albeit negligibly) TSL rope-drop crowds. The guests who partook in EMM have already ridden the TSL rides many times and are likely to move to other attractions (or to their included breakfast) when EMM ends. By giving these guests access to TSL before park opening, you are essentially reducing the number of guests who will want to ride those rides during park hours.

I'd say that's entirely possible, and plausible.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This actually might improve (albeit negligibly) TSL rope-drop crowds. The guests who partook in EMM have already ridden the TSL rides many times and are likely to move to other attractions (or to their included breakfast) when EMM ends. By giving these guests access to TSL before park opening, you are essentially reducing the number of guests who will want to ride those rides during park hours.

There so little to do in that park that I don’t see that being realistic. And the long lines at the other 3 semi-crowded attractions will push the pile right back to the toy story ones.

 

[Dave B]

That’s the beauty, no one is forced to do it.. the option is there if someone wants to do it.

This x 1000000000