Tigerace81
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Personally I love the look of the INNOVIA. But I would hope if Disney upgrades the fleet they would try to get a few design changes in it.
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Disney currently building 12th monorail
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PurpleDragon
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You may be thinking of the cleaning the beams got a few months ago, I believe all the beams on the EPCOT loop got a thorough pressure washing.
Tigerace81
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Oh no haha, the beams they use to connect different lines to pull the monorails out of storage where almost a new concrete white which caught my attention only to find out they were steel with white paint. I wish they would clean all the beams.
everest-dude
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But as an LSU student, I can also agree that Monorail Crimson would be a terrible idea.
I agree... it might cause my gag reflex being the HUGE AUBURN FAN that i am... i remember the first 58 minutes of the iron bowl and that makes me sad to think about... dont rub it in disney
but as far as a tribute to Austin would be amazing... and its hard to belive it has been a year (since the accident) and TDO hasnt finished with the monorail yet or a tribute to this cast member in some way
montyz81
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I was just curious if anyone has seen or heard anything about Maroon? (I know it would show up in these forums, but figured a cast member might know something but wouldn't volunteer any information unless asked). Who is building the cabs? Will they improve them in anyway over the current fleet? If improving them over the current fleet, will these changes see a one by one improvement for the rest of the fleet?
That would be the cheapest way for Disney to improve them as the cost would be spread out over time.
That would be the cheapest way for Disney to improve them as the cost would be spread out over time.
Timon
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I read in one of the WDWMagic forums that Maroon cars #1 & #6 were being fabricated in the WDW Central Shops across the parking lot from the Monorail Shop.
Improvements? Haven't heard anything although your ideas make sense. I don't see how you can make significant crash worthiness improvements to the cab without a huge redesign. That said, making the control panel padded and of break away material could help. Rear view cameras in every train and car interiors.
A real improvement would be to build a real Master Control, tracking every train with the ability to kill power to any segment violations. Cameras for the entire system. Control of the switch tracks.
Here's the Monorail Control room for the Las Vegas Monorail - PreOpening.
Improvements? Haven't heard anything although your ideas make sense. I don't see how you can make significant crash worthiness improvements to the cab without a huge redesign. That said, making the control panel padded and of break away material could help. Rear view cameras in every train and car interiors.
A real improvement would be to build a real Master Control, tracking every train with the ability to kill power to any segment violations. Cameras for the entire system. Control of the switch tracks.
Here's the Monorail Control room for the Las Vegas Monorail - PreOpening.
Mr_Tom_Morrow
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I love the chameleon effect idea or even do a solid color that has flaked chips in it
officeboy
Active Member
Very cool. I had not seen a pic of the LV systems control room. This type of monitoring and control makes sense for them. The WDW Monorail fleet, while sharing some core technical similarities, has a completely different control system. Had the processes and procedures from years past been in place and followed it is my opinion a crash would not have occurred and dare I say the situation that led to this tragedy would not have been possible.I read in one of the WDWMagic forums that Maroon cars #1 & #6 were being fabricated in the WDW Central Shops across the parking lot from the Monorail Shop.
Improvements? Haven't heard anything although your ideas make sense. I don't see how you can make significant crash worthiness improvements to the cab without a huge redesign. That said, making the control panel padded and of break away material could help. Rear view cameras in every train and car interiors.
A real improvement would be to build a real Master Control, tracking every train with the ability to kill power to any segment violations. Cameras for the entire system. Control of the switch tracks.
Here's the Monorail Control room for the Las Vegas Monorail - PreOpening.
Implementing the type control system used in Vegas would require a complete gutting of the WDW monorail controls system. Let's review: Yeti, Space Mtn. referb, FL expansion, Wonders. Update to the monorail control system to something like the automated and secure system in Vegas? While cool and probably a good idea, I can't see it happening.
I agree there are things that could be done to change the cab design, but I doubt anything short of exiting the CAB would have made any difference considering the mass of the trains and the closing speeds. Monorails would look different if the ability to absorb and/or deflect collision energy were implemented. (think :hurl: ugly)
Timon
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I agree the control systems are extremely different since LVM is 100% automated. My point is WDW needs a real control room with a dedicated staff. This can be done without changing the existing system but adding on as a separate system. Currently the Monorail Shop controls the switches and which segments are powered but isn't really involved in the operations until help is requested. The TTC Epcot station is for lack of a better term a radio dispatcher which is why with the loosening of the procedures a supervisor would even think he could call in from a restaurant. To me a minimum is a full system camera system and rear view camera for each train. Better would be a display showing the GPS of each train. Even better is to give switch and power control to trained Coordinators in Master Control. I think this wouldn't interfere with the existing equipment.
The problem with the current procedures (restored to the higher level) is that the pilots are on their own between stations and adding a tracking system gives a big picture view to the new Coordinators.
officeboy
Active Member
Actually rails has a person on staff that could safely run the entire operation from Mars if he had to... And do it with fail-safes that would far surpass anything Disney Legal could possibly come up with. Never gonna happen mind you, but it can absolutely be done safely long term.
But I digress.
Your suggestions are all great and while I agree having these cool things in place would add to cast/guest safety as well as guest satisfaction I hardly think anything like what you are suggesting is remotely possible.
I guess my point is that with the proper procedures, and people that follow said procedures you do not need to add the systems you suggest to run a safe system like the one at WDW. Moreover if history is any teacher the folks in charge in Orlando will likely not spend any money on the Monorail system unless concrete starts falling off the beamway near switchbeam 9 again or something similar occurs. So what to do if money is no object?
mp2bill
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That'd be cool!
Timon
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On the plus side it seems better procedures are now in place regarding backing up. A new siding on or near the Epcot beam for a Tractor to better serve the area is to be built this fall. Hopefully with union approval a new Coordinator position will be created. And best of all, before too long all twelve trains will be running again. Now all they will need is twelve sets of fuzzy dice to hang from the mirror.
mp2bill
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I don't see what you're talking about. Could you take a screenshot and circle the part that you're talking about?
officeboy
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It is my understanding the 12th train minus the end cabs is now in the paint shop. I am pretty sure that is what is sticking out of the paint shop. :lookaroun Rumor mill not associated with the internet has the end cabs for the 12th train in production.
One could assume if the train is in the paint shop they are getting close to needing it and that the rumor of the end cabs being fabricated is true. No clue when it will come out for testing, but I would think we would see in the next few weeks or months.
Internet speculation about the color appears to be correct, but as yet I do not know if that part of the painting process has hit the cars to confirm. We won't see that unit they are ready....
One could assume if the train is in the paint shop they are getting close to needing it and that the rumor of the end cabs being fabricated is true. No clue when it will come out for testing, but I would think we would see in the next few weeks or months.
Internet speculation about the color appears to be correct, but as yet I do not know if that part of the painting process has hit the cars to confirm. We won't see that unit they are ready....
RunnerEd
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Please rub it in Disney....Crimson and White for all of the monorails and build a 13th, redesignate them with the year of each of Alabama's National Titles eblazoned on the sides along with a beautiful script A. Roll Tide!!!!!:wave:
Seriously, though, I love how cool the "Tronorail" looks with the wrap effect as well as the look of the California trains. It may be time to redo the entire fleet's color scheme instead of all white with a colored stripe. If that is not done, I believe the maroon would be a nice and lasting tribute.
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